Do I need to isolate?

[thebirthlyhallows]

No fear mongering please, just government guidance.

I am my sister's childcare bubble. She also has a partner who is her support bubble.

Her partner has developed covid symptoms and has taken a test. Do I need to isolate? I do not consider him as my support bubble but is he by default?

Links to government advice/guidance welcome please

Have you been in contact with him? i not, then no you dont, as you would be a contact of a close contact.

What if my sister takes a test?

As far as I understand it when someone in a bubble has symptoms the whole bubble self isolates.

Given that you shouldn't be having close contact with your sister when she drops her daughter, you wouldn't need to isolate as you're only a contact of a contact. If the daughter goes on to develop symptoms then you should.

@CovidPostingName

Given that you shouldn't be having close contact with your sister when she drops her daughter, you wouldn't need to isolate as you're only a contact of a contact. If the daughter goes on to develop symptoms then you should.

This is what I was hoping for, thank you

I have a similar arrangement- my mum is my childcare bubble (I’m a LP). Her boyfriend is a separate household and is her support bubble.

Although it isn’t guidance I probably would test if her boyfriend tested +ive, and I had had had contact with my mum, within 72 hours or her having contact with him.

I think it’s just sensible. The official guidance isn’t always very sensible IMO.

I think you do need to isolate OP as you are technically all part of the same bubble I think. Agree guidance is unclear though.

Also @AnaisNun official guidance around testing is very sensible having a test when you've been in contact just shows you don't understand incubation periods or how the test works. If your been in contact there is NO POINT having a test unless you show symptoms.
All negative means is there's not enough virus to detect although you may have caught it so you could still go on to develop the virus from that contact

They're not part of the same bubble though are they? Sister and her partner are in a support bubble together, and can act as one household with no SD so if they've seen each other in the 48 hours (I think) prior to the start of symptoms sister needs to isolate. OP has a childcare bubble and as such must still SD from sister and is not counted as part of the same household. So no requirement to isolate.

If she hasn't SD from her sister she is a contact of a contact and still l doesn't need to isolate. if her sister develops symptoms she does.

I hadn’t really thought about it before.

On a personal level I hope you don’t have to isolate, but it would make sense that if there is a bubble everyone in it should isolate.

@Bramblespoint

I think you do need to isolate OP as you are technically all part of the same bubble I think. Agree guidance is unclear though.

Also @AnaisNun official guidance around testing is very sensible having a test when you've been in contact just shows you don't understand incubation periods or how the test works. If your been in contact there is NO POINT having a test unless you show symptoms.
All negative means is there's not enough virus to detect although you may have caught it so you could still go on to develop the virus from that contact

If she hasn't been in contact with the DP she doesn't have to isolate.

Actually yes I think that's right she probably doesn't need to as the are counted as two bubbles.

If your DD has seen the partner though she'd need to isolate surely

Exactly what @Bramblespoint says. Young children don’t socially distance.

And as for “not understanding” transmission or incubation - can you explain then why routine community testing in asymptomatic individuals/ general population is considered key to getting on top of exponential growth in high rate areas?

There is a reasonable risk of asymptomatic transmission down the chain; testing as far down the contact chain of “patient zero” (who have had contact within the necessary time period) as possible (and retesting negatives if symptoms appear) is not a worse idea than just thinking “fuck it I’m two people removed, it’ll be reet” and THEN testing, indeed you open up the possibility of catching infections before they become symptomatic and reducing transmission.