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If you think there have been no cases in your child's school, you're probably wrong

71 replies

CloseSchoolsProtecttheNHS · 03/01/2021 14:31

Contrary to what most people think, they don't tell the whole school community if they have a positive case. They tell close contacts and some schools even encourage them to keep it quiet to avoid panic. Where it's an isolated case and no close contacts (because of absence on the day when symptoms started, for example), they usually tell noone and the family of the positive case often choose to keep quiet rather than be stigmatised as having broken the rules and caught it (I know you don't have to break the rules to catch it but that's the stigma).

Unless you have a particularly small school, you may well not realise that it's been identified in your school. My child had to isolate as a close contact of 3 positive cases and another parent of a child in another class said to me (during the time he was isolating) that they were so impressed there had been no cases in the school - yet 11 kids in our class had since tested positive!

On top of that, children don't usually show the main three symptoms. As soon as I hear about people saying how the only case in their school has been a teacher, I immediately know that it's probably spreading in their school without them being aware. Families talk about how they have no idea where they caught it as they don't go anywhere, except their child is in school 'but he's been fine so it hasn't come from school'.

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profpoopsnagle · 03/01/2021 15:43

In our family we have 4 at different establishments:

School 1. Small Primary. No known cases. Sibling of child tested positive in my class, child quarantined as per rules, didn't seem to pass it to anyone else.

School 2. Larger primary. No emails sent out regarding any cases. I have assumed no cases.

School 3. Secondary 1300 students. Email/notice sent every time regardless of year group. Circa 15 cases.

School 4. College, 1600 students. Email/notice sent for first few cases, then dropped to if relevant for isolation. Circa 20 cases.

I fully expect that there probably have been more cases than this, but they haven't seemed to cause onward transmission, or at least onward transmission causing symptoms.

PleasantVille · 03/01/2021 15:44

@luckylavender

In most schools I know, they aren't allowed to make it public because of GDPR
What are the GDPR issues in saying a member of the school community has tested positive, you will be contacted if you need to isolate?

That's what the messages I get say, I can see how that involves data protection although I'm not an expert.

Oblomov20 · 03/01/2021 15:44

I think you are talking rubbish. Most people are well aware when there have been cases and when there hadn't been.

Head sends weekly / regular emails here and states exactly how many cases. Plus we know. We all know. When a child is off and others notified. We are a close community.

Friends of mine in a local school have genuinely not had a case. I don't believe your view that they have.

Most of the schools round here have had some cases. Some more than others. Not that many. And a few have had no cases. I believe this to be genuine. And no, I don't think I'm naieve.

ShowOfHands · 03/01/2021 15:45

You can be as bored as you like but that doesn't mean people are lying.

Our high school notifies all parents with ongoing case numbers because it prevents speculation and aids transparency. They have had 3 cases since September.

Our primary school is small enough that if a child is positive, the entire year group of 30 has to isolate and you'd notice an entire year group missing for a couple of weeks. It has happened once since September.

badpuma · 03/01/2021 15:45

@luckylavender - we've had the same message. There is no personal data disclosed at any point so not a GDPR issue.

ArosAdraDrosDolig · 03/01/2021 15:46

Not here. We’ve even had letters over the holidays saying ‘there’s a case but no need for anyone to isolate as it’s holidays and no contact’

Oblomov20 · 03/01/2021 15:46

Bet this gets deleted soon!

PleasantVille · 03/01/2021 15:48

@ArosAdraDrosDolig

Not here. We’ve even had letters over the holidays saying ‘there’s a case but no need for anyone to isolate as it’s holidays and no contact’
Same here, I'm not sure why they needed to send it but I had a similar message during the Christmas break.
Tinty · 03/01/2021 15:49

No cases in DD’s school so far. Do you not think it would be all over the school in 50 seconds flat if someone tested positive? Every child in the school would text their friends to say do you know X has it.

Also the school have said they will inform us if anyone has a positive test.

Scarby9 · 03/01/2021 15:50

When I have listed on threads here how many of the schools in our MAT have had cases, and how many haven't, I am telling you what is factually and completely true. It is also what the parents and staff at those schools have been told as soon as a case is confirmed, although they also know the yeargroup and how many pupils and staff have been asked to isolate as a result.

I also know that to be the case in all our neighbouring schools. What would be the point of concealing this for a school? Full transparency supports everyone.

The only evasion comes when people try to identify the actual person who has tested positive - it is not the school's position to name individuals so they don't do that, although it is often well known or easy to work out within a school community.

Mogwaimug · 03/01/2021 15:52

@yankeedoodledandee

I live in a small town, you can't even fart here without someone knowing. Not a chance there are secret covid cases Grin
This is definitely the case with my kids school. It was all over Facebook before the official announcement from school when there was a positive case in my DC school.

It's the same as anywhere though isn't it. Some work places are open and transparent. Others just interpret the rules to suit themselves so the staff can still come in. I work in public sector and a positive case was hidden by a manager. It was only because the member of staff text their colleagues to give them the heads up that it all came out. I'm also aware of other positive cases that were handled properly.

Lindy2 · 03/01/2021 15:53

Our Primary school has been excellent at keeping parents informed.

We are all emailed when there has been a positive case and the head has done a follow up letter each time saying what the symptoms were.

For the children who have tested positive none have had any of the classic 3 symptoms really. The head has been very vigilant asking for tests for very mild coughs, a very short period of a slightly raised temperature etc. It might not fit with what some on mumsnet say about testing but the acting quick approach has caught several cases that in other schools would probably have been missed. The head has also confirmed that in the isolating classes after a positive there has been no onward transmission to date, which has been reassuring.

Our Secondary school has been very poor in comparison. Only in December were we given details of the positive cases. I thought there hadn't been any but in fact there had been over 10. They only gave the information as lots of rumours were starting - which is quite understandable when a school does not provide clear information. Even now we don't know if any new cases occurred before the end of term despite the school being repeatedly asked to be open and honest. I am disappointed in the school. Educationally they are very good but right now, in terms of communication and respect for parents, they are poor.

ShowOfHands · 03/01/2021 15:54

I know precisely why they send it. I'm on a community notice board on FB for our next nearest town. Every day last term a parent would post something like "I've heard from my sister's nail technician that two children in x school have corona. Anybody know more?" Cue lots of "it's years 7 and 9 hun, and maybe a teacher", "I heard it was 7 and 8", "my dc is year 8 hun and I've heard nothing", "omg, I'm calling the school immediately", "me too", "no way is my kid going in when the school is covering shit up", "me either" and on and fucking on.

A short email saying "one child is positive, close contacts have been notified, please send your child as normal" does wonders in stopping this ridiculous speculation and prevents 300 phone calls from overwrought parents.

Keepdistance · 03/01/2021 15:54

Probably.
But anyway it was up at 2% of kids having it at once before xmas.

Looking at ons data there are obviously a lot of asymptomatic children and there will be ones with non standard ones.

I walked past a dc coming out of school talking about ear and stomachaches.

Bollss · 03/01/2021 15:56

Our school texts every single parent about every single case. I know this because there have been 3. One was my child case and the other two completely different hear groups which I don't need to know about.

So I don't think you can say that you're right, for every school.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 03/01/2021 15:56

When just our class found out there were cases, we were all trying to get our kids to talk to the other kids to find out who was 'case 0' - mainly so that we could find out how much time our kid had spent with the contagion!

How very mature.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 03/01/2021 15:56

@ShowOfHands

I know precisely why they send it. I'm on a community notice board on FB for our next nearest town. Every day last term a parent would post something like "I've heard from my sister's nail technician that two children in x school have corona. Anybody know more?" Cue lots of "it's years 7 and 9 hun, and maybe a teacher", "I heard it was 7 and 8", "my dc is year 8 hun and I've heard nothing", "omg, I'm calling the school immediately", "me too", "no way is my kid going in when the school is covering shit up", "me either" and on and fucking on.

A short email saying "one child is positive, close contacts have been notified, please send your child as normal" does wonders in stopping this ridiculous speculation and prevents 300 phone calls from overwrought parents.

This ^^
Bollss · 03/01/2021 15:57

Child's *class

Twobrews · 03/01/2021 16:04

My kids school put it on dojo.

I know someone who works in a school school where the staff had a Christmas do on the last and then all had to isolate as two tested positive the following day. That is being kept very quiet.

SpnBaby1967 · 03/01/2021 16:06

Op you're talking utter nonsense!!

I deal with a large primary and a very large secondary. Both schools sent ParentMails each time a case was identified, and close contacts got an email and a form to complete on ParentMail confirming they understood to isolate.

Still, combined these two schools have over 3500 students and still case numbers didnt even reach triple figures between them.

UserID · 03/01/2021 16:10

I suspect the op won’t be back. It’s obvious she has an agenda and this thread didn’t go the way she hoped it would.

pastabest · 03/01/2021 16:12

I think you are doing that thing where you assume your experience is what happens everywhere.

There's 65 children in the entire primary school, 12 in my DCs year. Medium sized village in a rural area population of about 1300, with lots of outlying hamlets adding probably another 150 but a high elderly population.

We've had an email every time someone in a household is self isolating for being a close contact of someone else, let alone a positive case.

Although no one is named everyone knows who it is each time mostly because they themselves have told people but also because it's as simple as noticing who isn't at drop off or pick up or asking the DC who was off today, or seeing which combination of year bubbles are affected and narrowing it down.

It swept through our community back in October, lots of positive tests amongst adults in the community and plenty of individual children had to isolate at times due to parents being symptomatic but only one bubble across the school burst in the whole of last term (year 6).

Clearly it was widespread for a time here but as far as I know there hasn't been anyone locally died of or with covid or is even in hospital following it. I've not heard of anyone locally having it more recently so presume that as a community reasonably on our own we have achieved some degree of at least temporary immunity.

The pub and the 1 bus to and from town every day seemed to be the main identifiable source of transmission rather than the school.

Baileysforchristmas · 03/01/2021 16:13

What is the point of this post 🙄

BrieAndChilli · 03/01/2021 16:17

Both the primary and secondary schools email all the parents when there has been a case. Plus it is in schools newsletters/school Twitter that a particular year/bubble are isolating
Primary have had 1 case since Sep and the secondary have had about 5 I think.

babbi · 03/01/2021 16:17

Our school emailed to advise every positive case - generally.. 7-8 times each day .
Pupils in close contact in patients classes were asked to go to the isolation room a and await collection by parent . Average 15 pupils in “ isolation room “ at any one time .

Those that were not in patients actual classes but shared the school bus were not isolated and free to go and spread ....
Hence the continual revolving door of pupils on and off all term 🙄

Teachers were exhausted just by trying to find contacts each day as the pupils moved around the building all day.

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