Why are we not on a full, strict lockdown?

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I don't understand. The rates are similar/higher than April when we were on a strict national lockdown, only this time it's a variant that is even more contagious.

Accounts from NHS frontline medics are incredibly harrowing and distressing to read.

I don't understand our government. I just don't understand them.

Tier 3 here and nothing like a lockdown.
Pubs are shut. Restaurants and cafes are open for takeaway. Our huge shopping centres are all open, shops are open & schools are back on Monday.
Country walks & beauty spots are absolutely heaving with groups; clearly more than 1 household.
It’s an absolute shambles. We’ve had 15 die in 2 days in our hospital but apparently that’s a small number and we don’t need tier 4.

@Buttercupcup Without lockdowns you’d be losing a hell of a lot more people than you already have, we’re fucked regardless that is crystal clear. We’ll be locking down every few months for a good few years yet.

@Thewiseoneincognito

The ONLY WAY this will sort itself out is if we PUNISH those who consistently break the rules. By PUNISHMENT I mean jail time or internment in an isolation camp facility no pissing around with fines. Lock these dirty bastards up so we can start to escape this hell.

Dirty bastards? You need to get a grip you sound unhinged ( or pissed)

The mortally rate still is less than 2%. So if you catch it you have more than 98% of recovering.

So no - we don’t need jail time or isolation camps.

@Thewiseoneincognito Honestly, please do get some help. You sound really unbalanced.

The mortality is not less than 2% if you are older or have pre-existing conditions. It is possible to be perfectly well, have a career and have decades of life expectancy ahead (and have young children) and yet be very vulnerable to death from covid.

Nobody following the rules. No one has any interest in protecting those who are vulnerable. We are a me!me!me! society you can't really think this? Has this not whats been happening since March?!

How patronising to call someone pissed because they want rules enforced when our police force are MIA. We pay their wages and where are they?

This wouldn't happen in France.

The police here can't do fuck all. In my large city they haven't been properly recording a quarter of violent crime that's been reported to them.

It seems rather pointless having severe restrictions on movement when your borders are open and people are coming and going on holidays etc.

I’m Australian and a Victorian where we have had a very severe lockdown this year. Borders have been shut internationally to most all year with strict quarantine requirements on entry. Borders between certain states also shut for months and only opened in the last few weeks before being shut down yesterday again between New South Wales and Victoria because of a handful of cases.

You are an island nation, why the government hasn’t used it to their and your advantage is bizarre.

@Seasaltyhair of course it’s less than 2% mortality rate but if 2 million Brits get it through the mutated strain that’s 40,000 dead people. So yes we do need harsher punishments to ensure the numbers stay as low as possible.

The cases now are from before tier 4 mostly, possibly from when the se was tier 2 mostly. There's up to a 2 week lag. Ignoring Christmas as a mitigating factor, the rates should start to drop in the next few days

@Micsays it’s extremely frustrating!

DN lives in Melbourne and has been sending videos the last few days. Pretty much life as normal there which makes it even more frustrating!

@Micsays totally agree!

When you compare France, Spain, Sweden, UK etc they all pretty much end up at the same point, regardless of how strictly you lockdown.

There is no way that it gets suppressed without the help of the better weather in Spring, and the vaccine.

My tier four village looks locked down. I can’t remember seeing anyone outside our household for 11 days now. Apart from exercise and collecting takeaways and food shopping we haven’t been out. Pay at the pump for petrol.

Can’t try much harder and my friends are the same. My 20-something children spent NYE in with us. This is lockdown.

We're in tier 4 and it's pretty much business as usual. Work, school (from Tues) still loads of people around. You wouldn't think it was lockdown here.
Until a few thousand people are dying per day i can't see a full lockdown being brought back in.
It really scary but people just won't listen and are intent on doing as they please. A slow government along with people who won't be told what to do will unfortunately prolong the agony.
Wuhan today had massive crowds for the new year's fireworks, thousands of people out. I asked my partner why they were back to normal when the rest of the world is still suffering he said that in Wuhan it's lockdown or be locked up! Says it all really

You know what, I give up trying to argue my point. Some people think lockdown is the way to handle things, others don't. I can't be bothered arguing as it just creates further division and adds further negativity to an already horrific situation. We are all living through a rubbish time and nothing can be done to stop that, whatever side of the fence you're on there are downsides. There will be long-term effects no matter what, it will affect people's mental health and the economy no matter what.

Happy New Year, I hope that 2021 is a better year for all of us.

Can’t work if your dead or serious illness. Every one needs to think. But at the end of the day borris decides your future. Happy new year.

Going to work in newzeland 2021 can’t wait leave February

Most of England are in tier 4 which is (as far as I can see) the same as the November lockdown. Even tier 3 is pretty much closed and that’s the rest of the country. Schools are currently closed for Christmas holidays and the plan for staggering the start of term is subject to change. None of the children heading back to primary school on the 4th should have been in close contact with anyone but their household for 10 days.
I think the staggered start back to school makes sense and I think the problem in the spring/summer was lockdown was too long and then too quick to release. We need to maintain a manageable level of cases rather than this peak- trough thing that’s going on.

The November lockdown didn't bring rates down enough. The March lockdown worked... because schools were shut.

Tier 3 doesn't work.

We do NOT simply need to manage the throughput of deaths - ideally we want a trough for an extended period.

No one should be sanguine at 950+ deaths per day

@inquietant

The November lockdown didn't bring rates down enough. The March lockdown worked... because schools were shut.

Tier 3 doesn't work.

We do NOT simply need to manage the throughput of deaths - ideally we want a trough for an extended period.

No one should be sanguine at 950+ deaths per day

All they really did in November was shut hospitality for a few weeks, everything else carried on as normal. Many areas up north didn't notice any difference because they were shut anyway in tier 3.

Then after a few weeks of that chucking London and south east back into tier 2 was kamikaze.

. I'm in tier 4 and there are differences between tier 4 and a lockdown.
Which are ?
Apart from schools open it's the same as lockdown. In fact the November lockdown schools stayed open so as far as I'm concerned tier 4 is the same as lockdown.

Unless they shut the schools there is no lock down. All the studies show that transmission is low in shops and seated hospitality. Bankrupting garden centres and diy shops will not help covid rates