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To think we are in real trouble with Covid again

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Blackcelebration12 · 31/12/2020 10:02

I read this independent sage report this morning & it’s so alarming- www.independentsage.org/29th-december-2020-emergency-statement-and-call-for-immediate-national-lockdown/

Aibu to think we are in trouble

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Blackcelebration12 · 31/12/2020 10:45

@NameChange84 I think that’s true- I have been a bit in denial about the schools I think but I am realising that it’s probably going to have to happen now in terms of them closing

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ShowOfHands · 31/12/2020 10:45

By all means discuss it but do so on the board created for said discussions.

justanotherneighinparadise · 31/12/2020 10:46

[quote Blackcelebration12]@justanotherneighinparadise well don’t read it then. Those of us that want to talk about it, as above, can chat and you can go and read other threads[/quote]
If you wanted to talk about it you’d have talked about it ad nauseam on the other ten or more threads currently discussing it.

You’re hoping to whip up some more hysteria and throw some more people into panic and anxiety alongside yourself. Try and consider those who are already panicked and anxious. These threads make them feel they may as well just throw the towel in on their lives and to me it’s irresponsible posting.

UpShutTheFuck · 31/12/2020 10:48

[quote Blackcelebration12]@justanotherneighinparadise well don’t read it then. Those of us that want to talk about it, as above, can chat and you can go and read other threads[/quote]
...and you can go and post on the Coronavirus board (where there are hundreds of other threads about the same thing).

annevonkleve · 31/12/2020 10:49

You’re hoping to whip up some more hysteria and throw some more people into panic and anxiety alongside yourself. Try and consider those who are already panicked and anxious. These threads make them feel they may as well just throw the towel in on their lives and to me it’s irresponsible posting

This. Your thread title is calculated to cause alarm. You could have just said "sage report on covid" or something neutral. But that wouldn't be clickbait, would it?

As for things not getting better after the vaccines - why have we bothered with them then?

DianaT1969 · 31/12/2020 10:51

I have requested that MN move this to the Coronavirus board. As others have said, some MN users are understandably trying to minimise their exposure to alarmist social media Covid content.

Bluebird2021 · 31/12/2020 10:52

i wouldn't discuss it on one of the other, longer more established threads

too long to read and they get snappy when you ask a question already answered

far better to have lots of threads which are smaller

PurpleHoodie · 31/12/2020 10:53

Independent Sage are a different group to the SAGE group advising the government.

Heartlantern2 · 31/12/2020 10:54

It’s perfectly fine.

2 vaccines on the way. Schools having delayed starts and most closing. Most shops have closed again. It’s not like nothing is being done.

The vaccines will help bring hospital admissions down- that’s the big goal. Nothing else.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 31/12/2020 10:54

TheonlylivingboyinNewCross.

Just don’t read it then. Not everyone thinks like you. A lot of people are seriously concerned. Why is that goulish? Because you think so?

IcedPurple · 31/12/2020 10:55

[quote Blackcelebration12]@TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross a discussion? I’m really worried and mumsnet is a discussion board. It’s not goulish scaremongering- it’s facts.[/quote]
It's not 'facts'. It's analysis from the self styled 'independent' SAGE, a self-appointed group with a very clear anti-government agenda. Not saying there aren't many experts on that group, or that they're neccessarily wrong, but it's naive to talk about 'facts' without taking into account the source and its very obvious agenda.

satnighttakeaway · 31/12/2020 10:58

[quote Blackcelebration12]@justanotherneighinparadise well don’t read it then. Those of us that want to talk about it, as above, can chat and you can go and read other threads[/quote]
If you want to discuss it there are eleventy billion other threads already running, it is getting to the stage now where every thread has been started numerous times before, of course it's irritating if every thread title is somethng on whicn there's nothing new to say.

And before anyone suggests it I don't want to hide the topic as I want to be well informed, but my, it's getting tedious

megletthesecond · 31/12/2020 10:58

Well yes. But this was predictable since September. Pupils weren't tested regularly, no longer half term "firebreak", no masks in lessons, restaurants open, half arsed ventilation in most buildings.

Velvian · 31/12/2020 11:05

I agree OP. This new strain is far more virulent. I know so many people that have Covid at this moment, having previously known 2 people to have it since March. This time everyone in the household is testing positive.

A close friend is extremely careful, as CV. She can only think she caught it from a 5 minute present exchange outside her mum's house (both wearing masks and 2M distance). Her mum tested positive a couple of days later. Both households all testing positive and unwell. Same story with 3 other households in our extended family.

hopefulhalf · 31/12/2020 11:08

Do you really think so ?Xmas Hmm

strawberrypip · 31/12/2020 11:14

Yeah it's crap but not totally unexpected. Naïve of anyone to think winter wasn't going to be rough. We knew this back in the summer that winter was going to be hard. Most of us are now in tier 4, there is light at the end of the tunnel with the vaccine. And hey, if we really all are going to get it then we achieve herd immunity. Either way those who are worried or struggling, hang on in there. It's going to be okay!

and yes, yabu to start another thread on this. In the wrong area. For the wrong reasons too..like others have said if you genuinely wanted to discuss this there is plenty other threads that are ongoing.

AintPageantMaterial · 31/12/2020 11:17

Aibu to think we are in trouble

OMG - I think you might be right. Thanks to the thought provoking nature of this thread, full of new information that I had previously been unable to access and/or understand, I have completely changed my mind.
I thought we were not in trouble but now I think we are.
Thank god you posted this in AIBU and not in the CV topic or my blissful ignorance might have continued .

DayBath · 31/12/2020 11:31

@AintPageantMaterial

Aibu to think we are in trouble

OMG - I think you might be right. Thanks to the thought provoking nature of this thread, full of new information that I had previously been unable to access and/or understand, I have completely changed my mind.
I thought we were not in trouble but now I think we are.
Thank god you posted this in AIBU and not in the CV topic or my blissful ignorance might have continued .

There's no need for this nastiness. You can say what you mean without being so sarcastic. Christ, people are being so fucking childish in this thread.
gurglebelly · 31/12/2020 11:39

Well d'uh! That is why allowing anyone to mix at Christmas was a bloody stupid idea - we haven't even started to see the effects of that yet

friendlycat · 31/12/2020 11:53

Yes it's bad and has been for some time now. We just have to get through this and stay in as much as is feasibly possible.
I don't know what is going to happen with schools and I should imagine they may well have to close them for a period of time.

Realistically the Christmas mixing was always going to be a nightmare and none of that has even started to feed through yet. I wonder how many people will regret their decisions about Christmas mixing that they made?

LindaEllen · 31/12/2020 12:06

Yes, we are in trouble. I also don't see us getting out of trouble before September at the earliest.

When I put posts on here in March, saying we wouldn't be able to spend Christmas with our families, I was called all sorts and accused of fear mongering etc. Yet here we are. This is how pandemics work.

It all depends on how fast they can get the vaccine out, and the success of the programme with regards to whether it does actually provide enough people with the right level of protection for us to get 'back to normal'. This isn't something that's going to be 'over by March' as I'm seeing so many people talk about now.

Redwinestillfine · 31/12/2020 12:12

Of course we are in trouble. It's not news. It's been obvious for weeks and weeks.

inquietant · 31/12/2020 12:17

@DianaT1969

I have requested that MN move this to the Coronavirus board. As others have said, some MN users are understandably trying to minimise their exposure to alarmist social media Covid content.
And many others are trying to limit their exposure to facts!
DayBath · 31/12/2020 12:22

@LindaEllen

Yes, we are in trouble. I also don't see us getting out of trouble before September at the earliest.

When I put posts on here in March, saying we wouldn't be able to spend Christmas with our families, I was called all sorts and accused of fear mongering etc. Yet here we are. This is how pandemics work.

It all depends on how fast they can get the vaccine out, and the success of the programme with regards to whether it does actually provide enough people with the right level of protection for us to get 'back to normal'. This isn't something that's going to be 'over by March' as I'm seeing so many people talk about now.

I agree, but I think the government will consider it to be over by march because their goal is to stop hospitals collapsing. Once the most vulnerable are vaccinated they will scrap all measures because none of this has ever been about investing in long term public health by preventing long covid. Their whole strategy has been to ignore it and pretend it's not an issue for the sake of the economy until we reach critical point with the NHS and then reign it in just enough to stop the shit hitting the fan.

So there will still be regular outbreaks and illness everywhere but it will be in the less vulnerable population. Which people think is great as a healthy 30 year old will probably recover, but I suspect there will be a serious longer term problem with long covid sufferers being off work for months on end.

NastyBlouse · 31/12/2020 12:26

I think we’re at a particular pinch point in a bad situation, which could have been avoided or at least mitigated, but I don’t think we’re in trouble.

We have two good vaccines and they’ve already jabbed hundreds of thousands of people. Once this bank holiday weekend is over the vaccination programme will ramp up. There is nothing to suggest that these vaccines won’t work on any new strains.

The new strain might be more transmissible (although there continue to be vagaries around what that actually means) but it doesn’t appear to be more virulent (ie more serious in terms of illness or symptoms). In fact there seems to be some opinion that it causes more asymptomatic cases and less severe symptoms. There are in fact about 20,000 identified strains of covid, viruses mutate all the time. It’s to be expected.

Hospital overwhelm is an issue. But it’s an issue that has been building for the last 40 years, because we keep electing governments that can’t or won’t allow the health service to run effectively or find ways to pay for it. Hospitals are overwhelmed every year — that’s not to say that it’s ok, quite the opposite; we should be striving for and aiming for a better health system that actually supports the people who pay and have paid into it.

All that being said, I think we’re in a difficult spot right now but I can also see the end of it, which I was struggling to do a couple of months ago.