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Would you let your child have the vaccine if it was available tomorrow?

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WhoAteAllTheMincePiez · 31/12/2020 01:36

Having a chat with DH tonight. He’d be up for the vaccine if it was available tomorrow and wouldn’t mind our children (1 and 5) having it.
I’m the opposite. I wouldn’t want my children to have it.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I do believe this is very real, but I’m not comfortable or assured of what the long term side effects may be. I think back to the virginal mesh, formaldehyde etc. All safe until later on when it was found it wasn’t. I know you can model it and project t, but a projection, for me at least, isn’t time served.

Would you let your child have the vaccine if it was available tomorrow?

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Imaginetoday · 31/12/2020 11:33

I should add, that if you the regulators have not yet approved vaccines for children, then no I would not be seaking to go around that . I will follow whatever the MHRA and NICE guidelines are based on regulatory submissions and data analysis of trials.

CheesePleaseLoueese · 31/12/2020 11:59

[quote hopsalong]As other posters have said, yes, if it were licensed for use in children, and there were plenty of doses (not only for older and vulnerable adults here but in EVERY country) then, yes, I would let my children have it and the vaccine had been proved to reduce transmission then, yes, I would let my children have it.

But that's a lot of if it weres! In reality, I would be critical of anyone with a healthy child clamouring for a vaccine. There are many illnesses (including some common in children, like chickenpox) for which we have a safe and effective vaccine already, but these aren't part of the routine immunisation schedule.

I suspect this might end up being a situation like chickenpox where the NHS believes it's in the interest of adults to catch chickenpox as a child. www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/chickenpox-vaccine-questions-answers/

And in fact chickenpox for most children is more severe than Covid. I still have scars on my face from chickenpox as a child. (No long-term effects from Covid in March.) comparing like for like, when DS tested positive for covid he had no symptoms. He was poorly for ten days with chickenpox.

See here: www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/chickenpox-vaccine-questions-answers/[/quote]
Yes I thought that too,* @hopsalong*.

It seems that PHE accept that under 16s (excluding vulnerable children - for whom I hope a vaccine is made available ASAP..) will at some point contract the virus naturally and "shrug it off." Thus providing increasing levels of immunity in the population... In that sense it would be very similar to the approach taken with chickenpox.

My only concern with that approach is that - unlike chickenpox - SARS-Cov-2 appears to be a virus which mutates much more quickly. It is new and we still don't fully understand it. We would need to remain really confident that children are relatively unaffected by this virus... and that includes the absence of long-term issues post infection.

The virus has - it seems - already become more transmissible to/and potentially amongst children. If it becomes more virulent, as well, then children would consequently suffer increased rates of sickness. But I appreciate that's a big if - it's not possible to predict at this stage whether will happen.

Just as the chicken pox vaccine is available privately, one would hope that eventually the vaccine is trialled on children under 16 and then made available to those parents who would feel more comfortable vaccinating their children, rather than leaving them to acquire the virus as a matter of course.

We can of course argue the ethics of whether that should be before or (more likely) after the rest of the world's vulnerable population has been vaccinated.

Imaginetoday · 31/12/2020 12:11

Cheese please.
I think this is where NICE come in. They’re looking at cost benefit to NHS and right now, and imho for some time, the benefits to kids don’t outweigh costs or the risk of doing trials on children.
It’ll be their decision.
I think going private is ethically dodgy right now and through 2021. The pharmacy companies can only make so much vaccine..they’re difficult to make and when manufacturing fails millions of doses can get written off and dumped in a single batch. Leadtimes in manufacturing are typically 4-9 months for vaccines. We don’t have enough in the world to vaccinate all those that are vulnerable and at risk, even if some of the other pipeline vaccines are approved. Supply chains are precarious at the best of times.
So, ethically I would not want to push my way to front of a queue ahead of more vulnerable people just because I have money

Watsername · 31/12/2020 12:16

If it was approved, yes.

3littlewords · 31/12/2020 12:28

[quote NYNY211]@CodenameVillanelle that’s what I said I know that. HOWEVER with job losses and the schools at risk of opening and shutting... you would think they would have prioritised the children (as this is for a pandemic). I’m not sure why you have an uppity tone.

Also if children are the spreaders... adults getting the vaccine... no I don’t see how that’s going to be success if I’ve honest.

I’m not sure what you don’t get! This is NOT NORMAL times..[/quote]
Quite right children are super spreaders but we don't yet know if the vaccine reduces transmission just that it severely reduces our bodies reaction to it. So a vaccination for children who rarely show severe symptoms of the virus but may still spread it as absolutely pointless

Anyway completely irrelevant stupid thread as it isn't being offered to children so your views on whether you would or wouldn't give it to your child means nothing

FinallyHere · 31/12/2020 13:02

Maybe we need a sticky thread for people to volunteer their DC to take part in the under 16 trials.

bathsh3ba · 31/12/2020 13:04

I would have it and as soon as it's licensed for kids I would want my kids to have it. But it isn't licensed for kids so it's a moot point.

trulydelicious · 31/12/2020 13:31

@3littlewords

your views on whether you would or wouldn't give it to your child means nothing

Why are you being so aggressive?

3littlewords · 31/12/2020 14:23

[quote trulydelicious]@3littlewords

your views on whether you would or wouldn't give it to your child means nothing

Why are you being so aggressive?[/quote]
Why are people getting their knickers in a twist over a hypothetical situation?

trulydelicious · 31/12/2020 14:34

@3littlewords

Why are people getting their knickers in a twist over a hypothetical situation

You sound quite upset about this thread. Most are just expressing their opinion

WhoAteAllTheMincePiez · 31/12/2020 14:39

Yes, this was a hypothetical question. I wasn’t aware it hadn’t been approved for children. I am naturally risk averse and that will clearly influence how I feel about this. I’m just glad we don’t need to make that decision any time soon.

@Imaginetoday Thanks for that perspective.

It’s really interesting to read the comments - definitely a mixed bag.

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nedp · 31/12/2020 14:50

I would be happy for dd to have it but only after it had been trialled on children and shown to reduce transmission and it if it was medically recommended for her individual circumstances. She isn't cev and under 3 so I don't think there would be much benefit for her as an individual, it would be more about preventing transmission so she couldn't infect others. But even the current vaccines aren't necessarily going to reduce transmission in adults so I think it would take a while to show it did so in children.

CheesePleaseLoueese · 31/12/2020 15:14

@Imaginetoday

Cheese please. I think this is where NICE come in. They’re looking at cost benefit to NHS and right now, and imho for some time, the benefits to kids don’t outweigh costs or the risk of doing trials on children. It’ll be their decision. I think going private is ethically dodgy right now and through 2021. The pharmacy companies can only make so much vaccine..they’re difficult to make and when manufacturing fails millions of doses can get written off and dumped in a single batch. Leadtimes in manufacturing are typically 4-9 months for vaccines. We don’t have enough in the world to vaccinate all those that are vulnerable and at risk, even if some of the other pipeline vaccines are approved. Supply chains are precarious at the best of times. So, ethically I would not want to push my way to front of a queue ahead of more vulnerable people just because I have money
Yep agree with pretty much all of that *@Imaginetoday*. I very much doubt any vaccines are going to be signed off for private supply next year. For anyone of any age group! Perhaps 2022 but who knows...

My heart does go out to parents of vulnerable children, though. That must be a horrible position to be in... I hope they get reassurance of some description soon - ideally that their children (as a limited exception) might be eligible to take the vaccine.

zaffa · 31/12/2020 15:16

Not tomorrow because she's just had her 12 month jabs and she needs a month or so between but if it were licensed for babies then absolutely. I am keen on vaccines in general and have taken every one offered including BCG and intend to send her for chicken pox too

zaffa · 31/12/2020 15:18

If she were one of the first I'd prefer a hospital setting though just in case there was an allergic reaction and she needed an epipen or such like.

RainingBatsAndFrogs · 31/12/2020 15:21

Yes, if it was approved for their age group.
Unless there is a specific contraindication I have no patience with vague unfounded fears.

ArianaVenti · 31/12/2020 15:36

Yes, definitely. I'd be happy to sign them up for a trial too. But i know several kids who've had covid and now have long term effects so probably a different perspective than most.

flapjackfairy · 31/12/2020 15:44

I have 2 children with complex needs and unless they are eventually vaccinated then there is no real end to this lockdown for us. I am desperately hoping we will be offered the vacine for them at some point .

NYNY211 · 31/12/2020 16:14

@3littlewords So a vaccination for children who rarely show severe symptoms of the virus but may still spread it as absolutely pointless.*
You could say the SAME for adults what’s the difference?????

Why did you come on the thread if you feel it’s pointless and irrelevant. You want to have your say but yet don’t want to consider other people’s views. Ignorance.

It wouldn’t be pointless because the number of adult cases would slow if the vaccine was working!! For the children..

Also schools and jobs wouldn’t be so severely impacted.....
Absolutely we don’t know weather the vaccine will work your right but we are hoping it will be a success.

Spiratedaway · 31/12/2020 16:17

It was approved yes

InglouriousBasterd · 31/12/2020 16:17

Not Pfizer as she’s allergic to some medicines. Yes to AZ/ Oxford.

bumbleymummy · 31/12/2020 16:22

No, they are not at high risk.

formerEUcitizen · 31/12/2020 16:54

Yes since they have asthma, plus I believe that stopping all community transmission (like with flu) is the way forward.

GypsyLee · 31/12/2020 16:58

No, as it hasn't been trialled for children.

MushMonster · 31/12/2020 16:59

Yes, as soon as approved and possible.
I would prefer a traditional form of vaccine, like the Astra one for her.