Vaccine doesn’t stop you getting covid

[Dodie66]

Not sure if heard professor Van Tam correctly
Did he say that the vaccine only prevents serious illness and doesn’t stop you getting the virus? Also they don’t know if it stops you transmitting it to somebody else so we still can’t mix.
I thought once you had the vaccine that you would be able to mix

That’s right :-(

This is what I heard and I feel like crying how will we ever get out of this fucking mess !

It makes it more like a cold or mild flu, that's acceptable isn't it?

My daughter ws looking forwRd to getting the vaccine so that’s we could meet up.hubby is clinically vulnerable

It’s still good news!

Mild flu to somebody that is fit ight be ok but to somebody that had a lung condiction might be fatal

No, it’s effective in preventing disease in 70-90% and if you do happen to be infected there’s very low risk of serious illness.

This isn't new information though. They always said this

While we’re waiting on people being vaccinated then no we wouldn’t be able to mix.
Once the elderly and the CEV are vaccinated it will be a step in the right direction because if they do catch it, it’s far, far, less likely to result in hospitalisation or death. It was never about getting rid of Covid altogether.

It stops you getting seriously ill if you get Covid. They are still looking into whether it stops you transmitting it so you can’t go willy nilly mixing out and about even if you’re vaccinated as you may still pass it onto others who may get seriously ill.

Yes, that's been the case all along.

It's also not known if it will prevent a vaccines person passing it on, even if they do not become ill themselves.

So the key benefit now is making the illness mild/trivial in an individual, and that is why the priorities are decided by who is currently least likely to have a mild illness

Well alot of vaccines don't actually stop you from getting whatever it is you're being vaccinated against. The danger is dying, so if it prevents you getting seriously ill, that's a good thing.

This is exactly why people who are low risk need to ease up with being do hysterical about it in the first place. It's not necessarily the end of the world if you catch it. There is a high survival rate.

Oxford vaccine had 100% efficacy in preventing death or severe illness requiring hospitalisation. Around 70 % preventing Covid. It’s fantastic news. If a vaccine means the illness at worse is like a bad cold then we can get back to normal.

Exactly Jerome. I think some people mistakenly thought that the vaccine was going to get rid of the disease. It’s not. It will protect the most vulnerable from becoming seriously ill and being hospitalised or dying. That is good news. The problem is the ‘worried well’ who are terrified of catching the virus even though it will most likely be asymptomatic/mild for them.

That isn’t what he said. He was talking about the % efficacy. He said that even if it only stops 70% of people getting Covid that the remaining 30% still don’t get ill enough to require medical assistance. In the trial only two vaccinated people needed hospitalisation and they both needed treatment so soon after vaccination that we can be assured they had already caught the virus before being vaccinated. So even if only70% effective at preventing infection it looks like it’s 100% effective in preventing severe illness and deaths.

I should add “back to normal” I mean once all adult population has been vaccinated...

Well we've never "got rid" of measles (for example) but cases are pretty rare as all sensible people make sure their children get the vaccine.

In fact the only thing we've "got rid of" is smallpox. But it doesn't matter as the infection rate of other vaccineable (not a word) diseases is so low...BECAUSE of the vaccines.

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I've had the first dose of the vaccine as NHS staff.
They told us they don't know yet if it stops transmission.
The way the vaccine works means it can't prevent infection- as I understand it, the vaccine means your body recognises the coronavirus "spike' and remembers how to fight it so you don't get ill. In order for it to recognise, you have to come into contact with it.

I do think that after a decent % of people have been vaccinated, then we should be able to mix. We're starting 2021 in a much better position than we were in in March, bad as the news is right now.

Is the flu jab also of this nature?

But this has always been the case with these vaccines; we've been told this all along haven't we?

Once enough people, including those with are most vulnerable, are vaccinated then mixing of households will be allowed once more. I think we need more than just the elderly and CEV vaccinated for that though - we also need the CV, especially those of working age, covered too so that society can get more like normal.

With the vaccine even the most vulnerable will be far less likely to become seriously poorly with it. I guess like with the flu vaccine.

Essentially it means that only people who have refused the vaccine will be getting very ill or dying.

@Haffiana

Essentially it means that only people who have refused the vaccine will be getting very ill or dying.

Unfortunately it also means those who can't for medical reasons might. Those who refuse the vaccine are more likely to pass it to ECV people who can't, for whatever reason, have vaccines. Same as with measles vaccine etc- those who are unable to have it, or haven't had the chance yet, need to rely on the herd immunity of those around them.

how old is your daughter though? could be ages before she's offered it anyway

@GoldGreen Oxford vaccine had 100% efficacy in preventing death or severe illness requiring hospitalisation. Around 70 % preventing Covid. It’s fantastic news. If a vaccine means the illness at worse is like a bad cold then we can get back to normal.
I am CEV do you have a link to that 100% claim please.

@Haffiana

Essentially it means that only people who have refused the vaccine will be getting very ill or dying.

Or the 10-30% in whom it does not confer the hoped for level of protection

And those for whom it is medically contraindicated