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Reality of Primary Schools

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LadyPenelope68 · 29/12/2020 16:03

Read to the end if you can...

Government to primary school staff in September: Yes, we know you can't safely distance due to the nature of primary classrooms, oh and don't wear PPE please as it negatively impacts on teaching, but you're fine, crack on...
Staff: Errrrr okay then, whatever is best for the children
Government: Keep going until Friday 18th December, it's fine
Staff (many of which have now contracted the virus from asymptomatic children): Okay, if you say so, we would actually rather be fully open, we need to teach, feed and look after the physical and mental wellbeing of these children we care about
Government on 19th December: Oh bugger, there's a new variant, children are in fact super spreaders, we know you've been mixing with people from 31 other bubbles all day every day for 4 months, but you're now in tier 4, stay home, don't see anyone for the whole holidays.
Staff: Hmmmm, funny how that happened the day after schools closed, but okay we'll continue to be compliant
Government: Right primary staff back to it on 4th Jan, you'll be fine, but still no PPE, no Covid or anti-body testing, no vaccine for staff who want it. Did we say children are super spreaders and this new variant spreads really easily? Nah, we didn't really mean it, put those invisible shields back up, you'll be fine
Staff: We would rather be back in school, but how about 1 week of remote learning to allow all the Covid that will have been spread round on Christmas day (due to everyone ignoring your tier 4 rules) to surface and clear before we welcome 31 bubbles back into each room. We know children don't seem to be affected by the virus, but we are! We have remote learning sussed now, 1 week is doable, we've got this!
Government: Nah, just crack on
Staff: Maybe put us as priority on the vaccine list then (please?) so we can protect ourselves as we still have no PPE. It will help to stop schools closing due to lack of staff - which is what we all want
Government: Sorry, what did you say? We were busy slagging you off in the press again, just crack on
Staff: Sod You! We'll get jobs as a delivery drivers (except you know full well we won't because we are passionate about what we do. In fact the Government are solely relying on this detail). Good luck recruiting primary school staff in the future though!
**It seems primary and nursery staff are the only key workers still working with no PPE, yet are in close contact with at least 31 contacts from 31 different bubbles on a daily basis. They have continued to willingly work from day 1 of lockdown back in March (not sat at home doing chuff all which the media may have made you believe) and have successfully juggled face to face and remote learning throughout (whilst also being classroom cleaners), sometimes while being ill with Covid themselves. They have just cracked on and not complained once about the vulnerable position they are in. We all prefer the children to be in school rather than at home. However, it's time to offer them some protection in some way, especially if things are as bad as they are reported to be - or are they? Time to cut them some slack and show a bit of respect too...
Where are the figures which show how many primary school staff have now contracted the virus, how many have been hospitalised by it and how many now have 'Long Covid' yet continue to work despite their exhaustion. All the talk around primary schools is that the children won't suffer if they do contract it, no mention of the millions of unprotected staff who crack on regardless. We do our jobs because we care and we are grateful to still have jobs, but it's time for the government to listen...
#TimeForTheTruth
#TimeForProtection
#StopTheContradictions

OP posts:
WanderingMilly · 29/12/2020 17:48

Well done for saying this, and I agree with everything you have said....

NeurotreeWenceslas · 29/12/2020 17:48

@treeslets

Thank you for also mentioning nurseries, we are often forgotten. We have no PPE, it's impossible to distance from young children and very difficult to distance from other staff. You can't distance from a parent handing you their baby at the door, yet neither staff or parents have to wear masks for this! A friend recently asked how I'm finding wearing a mask all day- we aren't allowed to wear masks! Made me wonder how many other people think we have some sort of protection!

8 members of staff caught it over 2 weeks at my sons nursery. One child tested positive but of course we have no idea how many were asymptomatic. It's v hard testing toddlers!

OverTheRainbow88 · 29/12/2020 17:50

It’s so shocking, I’m so sorry. And thank you 🥰 you are all fabulous and brave.

We need to protect our teachers and nurses staff.

Onthetrain75 · 29/12/2020 17:51

My children are year 6, due to take entrance exams in January.
We’ve only had 1 case of COVID in year 2, but lots of children have had to isolate after being in contact with someone who has COVID.
I just cannot see how sending primary school children back won’t spread the virus throughout families. We are tier 4 but I know many people have not been following the rules, and the more kids mix at school the more the virus will spread. I feel very sorry for the teachers who I am sure are being put at risk by schools going back.

Monkeytennis97 · 29/12/2020 17:56

Truth. Standing in solidarity with my primary and nursery colleagues.ThanksThanks

Vile vile government.

Spongebobsquarefringe · 29/12/2020 17:56

It’s very hard to distance from kids, especially those with SEN, some need so much support, they want a cuddle etc, really difficult. We all have visors and we can wear a mask too. Windows not really open because it’s cold. Not cleaned throughly, staff mixing, agency staff in, supplies in, think all school staff need looking after properly. Very worrying, I had to argue and argue last time about safety which resulted in some unpleasant atmosphere when I returned.

We’ve had a lot in primary but my eldest secondary has been ravaged.

No parent/carer allowed on school grounds or building without a mask.

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 29/12/2020 17:59

Well said, LadyPenelope. I also agree with some other posters that goodwill has gone out of the window and that will have an impact on education immediately and for many years to come.

MyGhastIsFlabbered · 29/12/2020 18:03

I agree with everything you've said. I've got 2 primary school aged children & have no problem with schools locking down again. But please can the government give us notice. I'm due to start a new job on Jan 4th - if I need to juggle things around so I can cover the kids and work I need time to plan. A last minute announcement would be a disaster.

phlebasconsidered · 29/12/2020 18:11

MyGhastIsFlabbered I think it's always last minute. Teachers have only ever been told things last minute since last March.

Abraxan · 29/12/2020 18:23

I think a lot of teaching and school staff are struggling now.
It's hard going knowing the Government really don't care enough about the profession to even vaguely try to have something in place to help them out.

All staff, including CEV and CV staff, have to be in work, teaching without even the basics of social distancing and masks required in most other indoor environments across the country.

CEV and CV pupils are expected to be in the same environment, again with no protection and no other options available to them bar registering from their school and losing their place for good.

The primary school (and nursery) age group is rising on the graphs, no longer bubbling away at the bottom, but no one seems to care. Yes, we know most children will be fine, but what about the minority who won't be? Or the staff who might not be? Or their families they take it home to?

My school has now had every single class have to isolate, some more than once. 3/4 of the staff have tested positive for covid last term, mostly over a 6 week period. Many - mainly the females aged 40+ - are still struggling to recover afterwards and continue to have post viral issues with fatigue and brain fog. It's 12 weeks since I was in hospital with covid and I still have breathlessness, tight chest, issues with my blood pressure, fatigue, brain fog and for the past few month a huge flare up of my arthritis as a result of not being able to take my medication when ill and being so run down for so long.

We all know that schools being open are the ideal solution for everyone - children, working parents and school staff. However the current system really isn't working for schools and with this new strain it could get even worse.

herecomesthsun · 29/12/2020 18:26

@MyGhastIsFlabbered

I agree with everything you've said. I've got 2 primary school aged children & have no problem with schools locking down again. But please can the government give us notice. I'm due to start a new job on Jan 4th - if I need to juggle things around so I can cover the kids and work I need time to plan. A last minute announcement would be a disaster.
Given the past history of last minute government announcements, could you discuss a contingency plan with your work? Maybe build in some initial flexibility?

I can see it is very difficult.

LadyPenelope68 · 29/12/2020 18:28

@BustopherPonsonbyJones
also agree with some other posters that goodwill has gone out of the window and that will have an impact on education immediately and for many years to come.
This exactly. My goodwill has absolutely waned and I just don’t have the energy or the willingness to do the extra stuff that I would happily have done in the past. This will have an impact on schools.

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NeurotreeWenceslas · 29/12/2020 18:35

@Spongebobsquarefringe

It’s very hard to distance from kids, especially those with SEN, some need so much support, they want a cuddle etc, really difficult. We all have visors and we can wear a mask too. Windows not really open because it’s cold. Not cleaned throughly, staff mixing, agency staff in, supplies in, think all school staff need looking after properly. Very worrying, I had to argue and argue last time about safety which resulted in some unpleasant atmosphere when I returned.

We’ve had a lot in primary but my eldest secondary has been ravaged.

No parent/carer allowed on school grounds or building without a mask.

Full Sen primary school.

Cuddling, working closely, physical handling of needed. A couple of kids have learnt to spit which we've never really had before. Lots of distress settling back in in sept.

No masks or visors.

We do have v good ventilation though which I think has helped. Though I also think most of the kids and staff had it in March tbh.

We need to stay open but it's at huge risk to staff health.

Sen schools tend to have older staff.

Welliesandpyjamas · 29/12/2020 18:36

Brilliant post, OP 👏👏👏

School staff and their families feel disposable. It is a conflicting time - on the one hand we are being told to be MEGA scared of the virus...and on the other hand to please send our loved ones (adults and children) in to schools with limited to no protection, depending on the SLT style, to potentially bring the dreaded virus home.

IrisPurple · 29/12/2020 18:45

I totally hear you - all teachers nursery and associated staff able to have the vaccine should get it as next priority after health and care staff. Your job puts you at high risk of exposure and viral load - not sure why this isn't being considered. Also the disruption to education and parents' jobs when a teacher gets sick and whole classes are sent home. I do hope the government have a rethink and give you the vaccine protection you need Flowers

SinkGirl · 29/12/2020 18:54

Just wanted you to know how much I appreciate you. The difference in quality of life for my twins and for us since they started at a specialist school recently has been unbelievable and I am so grateful for the Teachers and TAs and other staff risking their health to support our children. So grateful in fact that we will have completely self isolated for two weeks by the time they return on Monday. I wish your concerns were taken seriously by the government but I’m sure there are lots of parents like us who do worry about you and want to keep you as safe as possible.

happydaze22 · 29/12/2020 19:19

I’m a mum to 3 adult children 1 being a trainee teacher in a primary school and two others also unable to work from home. I’m also a nan to secondary and primary age children and I’m also a foster carer to children in 2 separate secondary schools and also a primary school . I’m also the wrong side of 60 with some health issues and living in a tier 4 area so would consider myself as fairly vulnerable.
Before Christmas every secondary and 2 primary age child in my small family group plus my trainee teacher child spent at least 1 10 day period working from home due to covid within their schools.
I worry so much for my children , especially the trainee teacher who tells me it’s almost impossible to social distance when you have small children to teach . I worry about my grandchildren and foster children , some of whom also use public transport to and from school .

I also understand when some say we can’t put our lives on hold due to Covid.
However surely the best situation going forward would be for NHS workers , teachers and other key workers be given the covid vaccine as a priority .
I also feel schools should stay closed until this happens. Yes children will lose out on their education and some will suffer more than others which is awful but I just can’t see any other option.
Our teachers are responsible for educating our children . Our government should be making sure our teachers are able to do this without fear of contracting this awful virus .

IrisPurple · 29/12/2020 19:47

Does anyone know if there is a petition out there to get teachers and school / nursery staff vaccinated earlier? This needs to be discussed at Parliament.

phlebasconsidered · 29/12/2020 19:55

@Abraxan, I do hope you feel better soon. Don't go back until you are! I'm an older and CV teacher and I can see long Covid if I am lucky! Stay home and get signed off / do a staged return via occupational health.I really feel for you.

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 29/12/2020 19:56

There is, yes. It was on here yesterday but someone asked for it to be moved to petitions. Might be there.

Thanks for this post, and thanks for responses that get it.

I agree with the entire original post. It would be nice if this just stays understanding rather than 'however' or 'twinkl' being posted in response.

MyMagicStars · 29/12/2020 20:23

DD4 is a PGCE student with asthma. She lives alone and is about to start a new placement in a 3 form entry school. 90+ bubbles. Last night was the first time I’ve seen her cry since lockdown as she’s so frightened. She’s almost as scared of being completely isolated for 10 days in her tiny flat and not being able to go outside or see anyone.

Felyne · 29/12/2020 20:40

I agree. I'm not going to have much tolerance for parents who bring their kid in sniffling "oh it's just a cold really". I don't want to risk it. If your kid is sick with ANYTHING that MAY be COVID keep them home.
I work in reception. Most of them can't do up their coats yet and need help. Try doing that for them without getting coughed or sneezed at 30cm from your face. Can't exactly send them outside with a coat not done up either. Sad

phlebasconsidered · 29/12/2020 20:40

I hope she is ok @MyMagicStars. Worrying for you and her.

Sawyersfishbiscuits · 29/12/2020 20:49

I totally agree OP. Next week I go back to work with my tinies. They will be hugged and cared for and will even sing. I just have to hope that their parents aren't the ones who went to a New Year's Eve party, met up with family across the country or climbed the Brecon Beacons despite not living in Wales. I hope they were thinking of us, we love their little ones and we were thinking of them.

starrynight19 · 29/12/2020 20:51

👏👏 everything you said.

I caught covid from my primary class , one of 6 of us to test positive, four weeks later I am still suffering with symptoms.
I don’t think anyone should be told that this is just part of our job now and to get on with it. Regardless of what provision was available in the summer and whether parents think it’s a just punishment.

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