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why doesn't the gov pay the parents to home educate if they want to?

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tinselwreath · 26/12/2020 23:01

I just have a question as I'm curious what people think here since there is the obstacle of closing primary schools to keep virus numbers down.

Why doesn't the government offer the pupil funding to the parent instead? This could be completely voluntary but considering there is about £3750 attached to each primary school pupil, they could give this directly to parents at around £300+ per month for each child and not include this in universal credit calculation to make it more lucrative. Plenty of parents would probably choose not to send their children in and it would leave more space for rotas/social distancing for the parents who cannot take the pupil funding option instead. This shouldn't cost anymore money because it is simply taking the money that the school would receive and giving it to the parent.

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bettybeans · 27/12/2020 05:23

Hmm. How about those who are working and simultaneously home schooling kids during periods of lockdown?

Gobbeldegook · 27/12/2020 05:24

You sound batshit tbh

bettybeans · 27/12/2020 05:28

I'll be home schooling for a while in the new year and I'm sad about it. I have a good job, I'm educated, so is my husband and we'll be sharing the supervision duties but neither of us are arrogant enough to think we'll manage the same quality of teaching as someone trained to be a teacher. This is not my area of expertise and it's not his either. Our kids will not get the standard of teaching they need or the standard he and I benefited from.

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tinselwreath · 27/12/2020 05:29

No, society does owe parents because it is parents who are making the sacrifice in order for society to function in the future. Or do you think a world of only OAP's wouldn't be a disaster? Should we not have healthcare providers and a functional society so we can retire in our old age? Or do you expect us all to work until we die? What happens when the last doctor dies? Ridiculous. People need to appreciate people who have taken on the huge financial and life sacrifice of raising the future we will all need.

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FestiveStuffing · 27/12/2020 05:31

No, society does owe parents because it is parents who are making the sacrifice in order for society to function in the future.

Yes, because that's why people have kids. "Sheila, we need to have a couple of children so that society will function in the future."

People have kids because they want to have kids. Don't act like they're bravely sacrificing themselves for the greater good or some such waffle.

Gobbeldegook · 27/12/2020 05:33

I've chat my mind your not batshit you're a narcissist

bettybeans · 27/12/2020 05:38

No tinsel, kids don't get brought up in a vacuum and if they do, they're not going to be equipped for real life. Kids are only a sacrifice if you view life as something you spend constantly trying to take or benefit from rather than something you contribute to.

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tinselwreath · 27/12/2020 05:39

Of course people have children because they want them, but society needs to make it possible for families to exist. That is so society can exist. What do you think will happen to the fertility rate once more women realise that it is literally impossible to have a career and a child? How many mothers will be able to never carry a job on a financial basis? There are only so many jobs that pay enough for a parent to stay home, not even considering single parent households. You're naive if you think this pandemic is not going to have long term implications.

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bettybeans · 27/12/2020 05:42

Oh wait. Are you left turning into feminist analysis of pandemics? You should've just said so. That's a whole other issue than whatever gubbins about home schooling that you were pushing before.

LadyPenelope68 · 27/12/2020 05:42

@tinselwreath
parents who deserve to be paid for doing the vast majority of work

LadyPenelope68 · 27/12/2020 05:43

@tinselwreath
parents who deserve to be paid for doing the vast majority of work
Think you’ll find this is called being a patent, you don’t get paid for that. Your ideas are utterly ridiculous Biscuit

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tinselwreath · 27/12/2020 05:46

It is not a left turn, these topics are all woven together. Everything is affected. People need to look at the bigger picture and not just harp on about this lockdown and that tier. What if this life exists for the foreseeable? Plan for the worst, hope for the best.

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bettybeans · 27/12/2020 05:48

I think women realised a long time ago that careers and motherhood are difficult bedfellows but home working has actually benefited many people in terms of optimising work patterns - males and females. If you were taking a "women are probably the most likely to be expected to dismiss their own work and focus on home schooling" thingy I'd maybe get on board. Cos that's an actual issue.

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tinselwreath · 27/12/2020 05:48

This attitude is why relative carers are only given like 60 something quid a week. Mumsnet, be ashamed of the toxic echo chamber you have created. Really rename the site to WeHateMums.com

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bettybeans · 27/12/2020 05:52

Tinsel, you're being batshit. What is your point? What do you want? What is it that you think we don't get? I wouldn't normally bother asking but it's Christmas.

3littlewords · 27/12/2020 05:55

@tinselwreath go to bed love, you've clearly been on drink and drugs all night deranging your mind....get some rest things will seem clearer then Biscuit

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tinselwreath · 27/12/2020 06:01

FFS if you guys don't agree with an idea, then discuss that idea but to lash out and in sequence call someone batshit makes this a site for bullies. There is nothing for an intellectual to engage with, you just harass people off the forum. Lame and people in real life do not give a shit about this site at all. Lost credibility. I'm not going to report any posts because people in the real world can see this thread as just another example of nastiness. The WeHateMums.com echo chamber.

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tinselwreath · 27/12/2020 06:04

I would suggest you guys report your own posts, cyber bullying is not a good look.

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DailyCandy · 27/12/2020 06:07

Some useless parents will just take the cash and drink/smoke/gamble it away. Others think they have they have the skills and find it’s too hard and give up... then kids have fallen behind.
Also

  • govt loses money on the taxes the once gainfully employed parents (assuming some give that up to take advantage of your scheme) used to contribute
  • govt has to monitor the effectiveness of hone schooling (costs money)
OverTheRainbow88 · 27/12/2020 06:07

with inconsistent education.

It may be even more inconsistent if left up to individual families.

Would you also expect the teachers to provide the work you will teach? Or since you’re being paid will you create all your own lesson plans and materials?

Whatayear1234 · 27/12/2020 06:11

I'm a primary school teacher.
I'm a mum to primary aged child (sane year group as I teach)
£300 a month to homeschool? No thank you.

Just a thought; if you think that parents doing homeschooling are doing all the work, where do you think the work appears from??

Adrastia · 27/12/2020 06:13

@tinselwreath

FFS if you guys don't agree with an idea, then discuss that idea but to lash out and in sequence call someone batshit makes this a site for bullies. There is nothing for an intellectual to engage with, you just harass people off the forum. Lame and people in real life do not give a shit about this site at all. Lost credibility. I'm not going to report any posts because people in the real world can see this thread as just another example of nastiness. The WeHateMums.com echo chamber.
People have discussed it, at length.

People with more understanding and knowledge than you have clearly and politely explained why your plan is flawed and unworkable.

You have not listened to them and seem to have decided if they don’t agree with you they are toxic and have some kind of agenda.

I don’t see any examples of people lashing out. I do see posters becoming incredibly frustrated by your attitude.
You remind me a of a child who isn’t winning an argument so they shout all the louder and stick their fingers in their ears.

I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are not trolling us but genuinely believe your idea is a good one and repeat the fact that it is unworkable and naïve in the extreme.

bettybeans · 27/12/2020 06:16

Tinsel, I apologise for the batshit comment, i meant it in a light hearted way and it isn't my intention to bully you at all. I just don't understand what it is that you're suggesting or proposing as an alternative here.

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tinselwreath · 27/12/2020 06:22

If people are frustrated with an idea to the point that they want to lash out at someone, then they need to have a word with themselves. Bullying people in to silence has only worked in the worst societies of history. People put out their rebuttals and I responded with evidence on my opinion because their opinions did not change how I viewed it. Again, you guys can take the ad hominem approach but this only looks intellectually dishonest and makes you lack credibility. I'm not the first person to notice how people like to flame others here. The echo chamber approach just makes it all look more fake.

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tinselwreath · 27/12/2020 06:23

My last comment was for @Adrastia

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