Low risk people getting on with things as normal

[PaperLaperRock]

Why is it that low risk cannot go out and go to work as normal if they are ONLY mixing with low risk?

Of course some from that group will need treatment. But less than 1% will. I think more from the low risk group are suffering and using the NHS for metal health reasons than they ever would be if they could go about as normal.

I’d happily not see those at risk until the vaccine is sorted. Which, newsflash, it certainly won’t be anytime soon. Bet good money we will all be living like this in autumn at least. I’m not inclined to follow this further, my career has nearly been destroyed from all this and I doubt the government will be picking up the bill when I can’t afford my mortgage.

I’m not sure the economy is being totally destroyed.

Online shopping is booming
Gaming is through the roof
Food and DIY are booming.
Amongst others

The businesses like Arcadia and similar were dying anyway. The High street is going to go at some point whether people like it or not. Covid has just changed and speeded things up.

[quote PlumsAreNotTheOnlyFruit]@SleepingStandingUp you spend some of the inconceivably enormous sums currently being lost from tax revenue by closing half the economy on paying wages to the working age vulnerable to stay at home and hiring supply teachers etc.[/quote]
For how long? If we're just carrying on with life as normal and doing nothing else? And where are we drawing the line? CEV? Just vulnerable? If my anxiety over working in the supermarket or school is so high because the rate is now 800 in 1000 can o get paid to stay home for years?

@umpteennamechanges
Risk goes up massively with age. But for everyone that really is younger and high risk I would suggest the following.

Option of a proper online school for the children, with guaranteed return to current school once the parents have been vaccinated.

Emergency pay. I think it will be much cheaper for the government to pay you and other vulnerable people, if you can't work from home, than keep the shops and bars and restaurants and gyms etc closed and pay all their staff.

Medical staff, and at at least some dentists for emergencies, need to be among the first vaccinated, maybe even before the elderly.

I think we should keep going with all the general mitigation measures as well like masks and reintroduce 2m distancing in shops.

I just don't think we will get numbers down enough now without keeping everything closed.

[quote PaperLaperRock]@Porcupineintherough they would if it was only low risk going about usual life[/quote]
What about us low risk people who have to go out to work but live with high risk people?

@viccat

The more the virus is allowed to spread, the more it will mutate. And as we've seen this past couple of weeks, that's not a good thing.

But that's fine because the people who are unlikely to be very ill will be fine and everyone else can just sit at home on furlough pay and be glad we're protecting them. They don't need an actual life or to see family. If they're CEV with kids or a partner well they can stay in their room or their partner and children can rent a new home.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

Have a read of the below. Sadly it's not great news.

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8866/

@SilentlyLaughing they are moved into a special home for people like them, where we don't have to think of them
State funded, meals provided, clothes provided. They won't really need any money.

Its also incredibly selfish. Instead of us all giving up parts of our lives the I'm alright Jacks get to whoop it up while 20m live in isolation?
What about those who care for the elderly? Do we lock those up too?

@Northernsoullover

Its also incredibly selfish. Instead of us all giving up parts of our lives the I'm alright Jacks get to whoop it up while 20m live in isolation? What about those who care for the elderly? Do we lock those up too?

Yes, they're not as important as the healthy. Drain on resources, impinging our civil liberties. Care homes for the lot of them. Come to think of it, the younger vulnerable could staff the care homes, and sleep in their own wing. No need for anyone to get out last the wire fences

OK so dh us ECV. We have like maybe 30% ( forgotten exact % but that ballpark) school aged dc who must be in school or we will be fined. All our dc have had at least one bout if self isolation but thank God we are all OK.
So to protect him they would need homeschooling. DH can work from home so he is OK. But I have to work. More risk. DH has regular blood tests so more risk. His Consultant appointments are thankfully online. I have health conditions too s...o yet more appointments.
We are just one family so surely you now see the problem. It is virtually impossible to protect the vulnerable if the Virus isn't controlled.

Yeah l know. I know it’s not great. But it’s not every business as some people like to think. I think we are going through a stage of profound change. Like 20 years compressed into 7 months or so. But l do think the economy will strongly recover at some point.

I read an article somewhere about the post war boom in the 20’s being a result of the Spanish flu pandemic.

[quote SleepingStandingUp]@SilentlyLaughing they are moved into a special home for people like them, where we don't have to think of them
State funded, meals provided, clothes provided. They won't really need any money.[/quote]
Literally nobody has suggested that is a good idea.

But it’s not every business as some people like to think. What isn't? Protecting the vulnerable?

If we ignore all the conundrums about vulnerable people who want to live amongst the rest of us and have normal lives and focus just on the elderly and vulnerable in care homes it should be easy, right?

On the other hand, who looks after them?

Carers who, presumably, are in your group of those who should just carry on living normal lives and catching this virus as it won't kill them. How exactly would that work then?

@PlumsAreNotTheOnlyFruit no bit of you follow through the logic, it's where you end up. You can't protect the vulnerable by keeping them home of their nurse wife is still working and the the kids are in secondary school and the rate in the population is through the roof.

The fact that every business is failing. It’s not all of them.

@SleepingStandingUp on another thread actually suggested that those on furlong or made redundant from hospitality should take the jobs of the ECV who cannot work from home. Still not sure how a barmaid/barman could take the job of an ECV Teacher or Doctor. I was appalled.

@Northernsoulgirl45 yes it's difficult. But I wonder if we can keep the virus under control now anyway without keeping everyone at home. The effects of the November lockdown seemed to last for about 5 minutes.

I think its easier to think this during the school holidays as it stands, my family (myself, DP and DS) are low risk and will have no contact with any vulnerable people, I know this, because we are tier 4, so stuck really in the house not seeing anyone (DP lost his job) however come January, DS will go back to school, so our bubble automatically gets busy, hopefully DP will start his new job, which is customer facing, so again the risk goes up, I will be doing the school run, so even that has risks.

If I could be arsed to actually get up out of this chair, I'd go and bang my head against the nearest brick wall.

@QueenOfTheDoubleWide carers need regular testing and to be amongst the first vaccinated.

I actually wonder if the reason our death rates are not quite so through the roof as our infection rates is because a lot of vulnerable people have been taking action themselves not to be infected and because they have been testing care home workers.

Anyway I can't wait to see my elderly relatives again indoors but not until they have been vaccinated. I don't see the general infection rate getting low enough to do that anytime soon. They want their grandchildren to be able to go to school as well.

Completely agree but you'll get roasted by all the very compliant, "selfless" people on here.

@PaperLaperRock

Yet there’s no actual answer on it. It is worrying that Chris Whitty, as professional and educated as he is, is taken as gospel as to how this should be managed.

What are you qualifications?

Yavu to say newsflash in the middle of a sentence.

In another thread you said this:

"I’m not a conspiracy theorist. But"

That's all I need to know.