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Full lockdown from Boxing Day?

94 replies

FedUpOfAllThis · 23/12/2020 14:05

Does anyone else think this is what will be announced?

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Haffiana · 23/12/2020 16:20

@ClaudiaWankleman

Londoners with second homes will be stuck between a rock and a hard place now

Very few people then. Londoners are locked out of the market, struggling to buy their first house, let alone a second. God I'm fed up with the misdirected and inaccurate digs at London for... precisely no reason at all.

It appears to be OK with some people to have a dig at anyone they perceive as better off than them.

They wouldn't do it at anyone who had darker skin than them or less mobility than them, because then everyone would know they are a bigot.

Ravenesque · 23/12/2020 16:28

I think instead of saying "Londoners with second homes", it would be fairer to say "very rich people with second homes". The majority of Londoners are not rich let alone very rich. Most Londoners, especially in central London are less likely to own a home than in other parts of the country because the prices are mental.

Londoners are no different from the rest of the country. Lots of good people, some shitehawks and like the rest of us, just trying to get by on Plague Island. Please, stop being shitty to Londoners. It's not fair and it's not nice.

daisychain01 · 23/12/2020 16:29

[quote teenyweenycurlywurly]@daisychain01 no worries - just trying to make sure everyone saw the full list [/quote]
Thank you @teenyweenycurlywurly news is happening so fast we can't type quick enough Grin

ClutchingMyPearlsAppropriately · 23/12/2020 16:33

This needs its own thread @MrsTerryPratchett. I've never come across it and think a discussion would be interesting. I agree with you by the way.

ClutchingMyPearlsAppropriately · 23/12/2020 16:34

Sorry quoting your post with the link: I fucking hate 'Third World'. Developing isn't true and implies we are something to aim for. Majority covers it.

jillypill · 23/12/2020 16:43

I mentioned my London neighbours leaving however the only ones with 2nd homes are older. The vast majority are just going "home"

jessstan1 · 23/12/2020 16:47

I thought we were already in lockdown. Those in tier 4 have been told 'don't go out', with obvious essential exceptions, Christmas day will be in 'bubbles', following which no mixing outside of your bubble. What's new?

QueenPawPaws · 23/12/2020 17:04

@jessstan1 they are though. I work in car sales and we are busy as every over the phone and online but the servicing side is mental. Bodywork and scratch repairs etc, and it's a tier 4 area. People's definition of essential varies greatly

Madcats · 23/12/2020 17:10

It's not often that I find myself in agreement with Tony Blair, but it seems a very sensible idea to give as many people as possible a single does of the current vaccine stock (so twice as many as planned) and live with the risk that they aren't as well protected.

I don't think GB has ever been in anything that an outside observer would call a "lockdown". They just keep closing pubs/restaurants and shops(ish).

GypsyWanderer · 23/12/2020 17:11

What would have to close for lockdown to be more strict that tier 4? To me, tier 4 is the same as lockdown but I could be wrong.

We’re moving to tier 4 Boxing Day and I’m still trying to get my head around the changes but if we have a national lockdown won’t that be the same as all the counties being in tier 4?

TicTacTwo · 23/12/2020 17:15

Restaurants like McDonalds and Costa
You couldn't click and collect at many retailers in lockdown 1 (chemists and supermarkets only?)
Schools were shut and there was no construction (just maintenance for safety)

I think the definition of essential retailers has radically changed. Quite a few places installing a fridge with milk so they can call themselves essential eg The Range

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 23/12/2020 17:16

I think T4 is Lockdown plus Schools Open.

Having Tiers makes it easier to zone the restrictions.

scaevola · 23/12/2020 17:22

@Madcats

It's not often that I find myself in agreement with Tony Blair, but it seems a very sensible idea to give as many people as possible a single does of the current vaccine stock (so twice as many as planned) and live with the risk that they aren't as well protected.

I don't think GB has ever been in anything that an outside observer would call a "lockdown". They just keep closing pubs/restaurants and shops(ish).

It is not licensed for that dosage regime.

It's not clear whether it has been fully tested on that dosage regime, and if more evidence of efficacy at that dosage is needed, there would be a considerable delay.

The only scientists I have seen comment on this say they think it is a very bad idea. Speaking to a Commons Select Committee:

"Prof Peter Horby, who chairs the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (NERVTAG), said: "You can't assume that one dose is as good or half as good or whatever as good as two doses, because the data you have is on two doses."

Blair also said, entirely erroneously, that the aim of the vaccination is to prevent spread. As it is not known whether it does confer full sterilising immunity, the aim if to protect the vulnerable. The current two-dose regime prioritised by vulnerability will prevent over 90% of deaths and so very many hospitalisations. And also prevent NHS staff going off sick, so NHS has fewer worries about staff absences and has a chance of restoring more non-Covid services.

Once we protect the vulnerable (reducing their chances of serious disease to roughly that of a healthy young person) and NHS is buttressed, there is a chance we can start to relax restrictions and rebuild. If we instead choose to immunise healthy young people, then we will need restrictions for far longer, because the risk of overwhelming NHS from extensive serious disease in the more vulnerable population will continue at current level

MrsTerryPratchett · 23/12/2020 18:03

@ClutchingMyPearlsAppropriately

Sorry quoting your post with the link: I fucking hate 'Third World'. Developing isn't true and implies we are something to aim for. Majority covers it.
I do think it's an interesting discussion. Maybe I'll start a thread sometime!
PicsInRed · 23/12/2020 18:44

I have a sinking feeling we're going to lose even takeaways.

daisychain01 · 23/12/2020 18:57

I expect moving more of East Anglia from T2 to T4 is so more of the East side of the country is in the same tier and very restricted in terms of travel to preempt the nipping to T2 for a quick pint and socialise from T4 area. It's harsh for people not to see each other but its a way to get things back on track in controlling spread.

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 23/12/2020 19:05

@scaevola not sure why tony blair is even offering his opinion its irrelevant and he is not a medic or scientist,
But what I don't understand with this is some say it doesn't stop
You necessarily getting so how will it stop nhs staff having to isolate ?
Will they no longer be tested once immunised ? Surely if they test positive they will have to still
Isolate so as not to give it to other ill patients who won't all if had vaccination or may be unable to have ??

Justiceisblind · 23/12/2020 19:21

I like Toby Blair on Brexit but agree this is inappropriate

NailsNeedDoing · 23/12/2020 19:41

I’ve been out and about in tier 4 today for legitimate reasons, the world looks just as busy as it did before judging from the traffic and the shops that aren’t in town. Even town is way busier than it was when we were in proper lockdown.

Nothing except full on lockdown with furlough and school closures will achieve what they seem to want.

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