Travelling from Tier 3 to Tier 2

[MereDintofPandiculation]

Police issued a large number of fixed penalty tickets to people visiting York (Tier 2) from Tier 3 areas.

My understanding that people were advised not to travel from Tier 3 to Tier 2 "You should still avoid travelling outside your tier 3 area other than for the reasons such as those above." (Not "You must avoid travelling..."

Have I misunderstood that or are North Yorkshire Police getting a little over-enthusiastic?

They were all in the pub weren't they? Which is against the rules. The terms of the tier you live in follow you wherever you go, so someone living in tier 3 cannot go to a pub in tier 2.

I read that they were out drinking is definitely not allowed if you go to a lower tier than you

Partly, the reporting is over-enthusiastic. The fines will have been for mixing with other households indoors, which is illegal for residents of tier 2 and tier 3.

But yes, North Yorkshire Police are setting up roadblocks and asking people why they are travelling into tier2, even though it’s legal to travel into tier 2 for any reason at all. If they stop me I’m going to tell them I’m going to do a bit of shopping and have a nice lunch in a cafe (even if, in truth, I’m going to the doctors).

The article says "hospitality venues" which are closed except for take away in T3 areas so if they were getting around the restrictions by visiting a T2 area and got caught then I think the police can issue a fixed penalty fine.

Auto-correct changed fixed penalty fine to fixed poo neatly fine

Going out drinking is illegal for residents of both tier 2 and tier 3 - you’re only allowed to go out for a meal and have a drink with it. But tier 3 are allowed to do that too.

There aren’t really any differences in the restrictions for residents of tier 3 and tier 2. Just that tier 3 aren’t allowed to meet other households in private gardens, I think. The main differences in restrictions apply to what businesses can open.

Ah, fair enough! That explains it then.

I knew the police were out on the A64 stopping motorists, but as long as the fixed penalty notices were only for those in pubs etc, that makes sense.

So you can drive to York, but once there you have to keep out of shops other than those selling food and other essential items, you can't go into any bars or cafes, or into any of the museums (are museums open in Tier 2?). Makes the journey not only inadvisable but pointless.

There are no legal restrictions against people in tier 3 travelling to tier 2 and entering and using a hospitality venue.

The police can only fine you if you break the law, by mixing households indoors.

No, once you are in York you can go in the shops, museums and restaurants as long as you don’t gather with people from other households.

Personally I avoid York in December, it’s always hell. Online shopping all the way!

@JellyBabiesSaveLives

Going out drinking is illegal for residents of both tier 2 and tier 3 - you’re only allowed to go out for a meal and have a drink with it. But tier 3 are allowed to do that too.

There aren’t really any differences in the restrictions for residents of tier 3 and tier 2. Just that tier 3 aren’t allowed to meet other households in private gardens, I think. The main differences in restrictions apply to what businesses can open.

Do you mean tier 3 residents can go out for a meal in tier 2? We can't in tier 3 because nowhere is allowed to open and I thought we had to obey tier 3 rules in tiers 2 and 1, it's theoretical for me as the nearest tier 2 area is too far to go just for a meal but I didn't think I could anyway

@JellyBabiesSaveLives

Going out drinking is illegal for residents of both tier 2 and tier 3 - you’re only allowed to go out for a meal and have a drink with it. But tier 3 are allowed to do that too.

There aren’t really any differences in the restrictions for residents of tier 3 and tier 2. Just that tier 3 aren’t allowed to meet other households in private gardens, I think. The main differences in restrictions apply to what businesses can open.

Tier 3 are not allowed to do that. The pubs/restaurants are not allowed to open (other than takeaway). Cafe's and takeaways only I'm afraid. You can only meet one other person in an open space, such as a park

NYP are being very heavy handed, they have taken lessons from Cleveland police.

According to North Yorkshire Police day tripping generally from Tier 3 to Tier 2 is UNACCEPTABLE (imagining in the voice of Lemongrab from Adventure Time).

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-55171573

They'll be busy round here there are loads of day trippers.
I don't see the problem with a day trip.

@Batshittery @satnighttakeaway
You are allowed, by law, to travel from tier 3 into tier 2 for any reason. The tier 3 restrictions that you must follow when you are in tier 2 are:
Do not mix with other households indoors
Rule of six outdoors

So yes, residents of tier 3 are allowed by law to go to a restaurant in tier 2.

That’s the law. The advice is to stay in tier 2. The advice is something you can choose to follow or not depending on your circumstances (such as the actual covid rates in your local area and whether you think York in December is the 7th circle of hell).

I am aware that it is guidance, not to travel from a high tier to a lower tier, but thank you JellyBabies

@JellyBabiesSaveLives Are you sure about that? That the hospitality closures in Tier 3 are a restriction on the venue rather than the individual, so a Tier 3 individual is not prohibited by law from entering a Tier 2 hospitality venue? If that's the case, how are the N Yorks Police getting away with issuing fixed penalty notices?

Better they fine them than the police in Herefordshire who just told people from other areas that were drinking in local pubs to drive home...

@Batshittery the OP asked about the law, so that’s what we were talking about

@MereDintofPandiculation yes I am sure about that. I think the police are issuing penalty notices to those who are meeting people from other households, which is against the law.

My understanding is that you are allowed to travel out of your tier (4 excluded) as long as you follow the rules of your own tier whilst there.

I travel from tier 3 to tier 2 to do my shops as I live rurally on the edge of a tier 3 area. My nearest city (20 mins drive away) is tier 2... we need nappies/supplies above and beyond a village shop so what do they expect me to do?

I won’t however go to a cafe or such in the tier 2 city because I’m from tier 3 and not allowed to do that. Imagine if everyone from a high case tier 3 area piled into a tier 1/2 pub...totally ridiculous and counter productive!

I think the police are issuing penalty notices to those who are meeting people from other households, which is against the law. OK, that makes sense.