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I think we're all looking in the wrong direction

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TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair · 22/12/2020 08:51

I feel really uneasy. The rate of growth of the virus in my area has been alarmingly rapid in the last 2 weeks. I think (understandably!) there is a lot of attention going on the issues with the French freight. I do know that is serious and of course it needs discussion. I think, too, a lot of people are caught up talking about Christmas plans and their own arrangements. Again, that matters, we're social creatures and people are experiencing disruption and some are left having to rearrange things at short notice or managing significant disappointment and sadness.

I just think that meanwhile, this new strain is spreading and it's going to rapidly push a lot of hospitals to crisis point in January. I have been anti-lockdown for months. Not anti-restrictions, I must say - I always thought they were necessary but thought that some restrictions shouldn't be imposed by the government (e.g gyms could have been safely open in November in many tiers based on the evidence). Anyway, that's a different conversation.

I just worry that we should be going into a hard national lockdown right now and yet there is all this vague talk about it maybe happening in January. Surely it needs to happen within days? I know lockdown is an awful blunt instrument which does catastrophic damage to mental health and to the economy. I'm definitely not thinking it would be anything other than devastating for society, unfortunately. But worst case scenario, things seem like they might potential spiral pretty fast with deaths now and I keep thinking of hcp's in hospitals and how they're going to cope if we are at a point of people dying in fairly large numbers in corridors, say, or they are having to turn away anyone over a certain age for any treatment because there is no capacity in a few short weeks.

No, I don't think lockdowns stop the virus, by the way. We are in need of that vaccine being rolled out and spring turning up for the pressure to ease off properly (which will happen. There's lots of reason to have hope). I think this would be a temporary measure only. But every day of delay in taking very strong action now is going to mean much worse scenes in January and February. I do think we risk things being like those worst Italian scenes from the spring.

Personally, although I'm young(ish!) and in good health, I am cancelling any trips out now that aren't absolutely essential just because every person who can do that will make a difference. I appreciate others won't agree or won't want to do that - I am not writing this to try to persuade people that I'm right because I don't even know I am, I just can't shake off this feeling of we're moving far too slowly and we'll regret it. For now we can all only do what we think is best individually.

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RoseAndRose · 22/12/2020 08:53

Surely it needs to happen within days?

January is only 9 days away, so in some ways these are not mutually exclusive options.

I think there could be further announcements any time from 27th onwards

AgnesNaismith · 22/12/2020 09:01

Prediction:

National lockdown announced on the 28th December to start on the 30th

Trade deal announced on NYE

AstraZeneca vaccine approved on 2nd Jan

I believe the virus is out of control, the new mutation is completely real. But there is some serious political spin happening to control our movement (for good reason) and to give us a sense of the magnitude of both Brexit and Covid to ensure we are compliant with both getting the vaccine and accepting the slightly shit deal that’s up and coming.

I think we’re all watching on in horror currently. Certainly hoping the above is the case....but when we do get some normality back I think there will be riots - involving all demographics, not just the kids. The government have tried to keep us safe after the fact every single time this year. It’s not good enough.

TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair · 22/12/2020 09:02

I forget that. In my mind, we're on December 5th at the latest. GrinBlush

Although, I'd still say, 9 days is sadly a lot of time for things to spread and grow. Around here that's somewhere just under 250% growth if things continue as they are, although if the growth is exponential then obviously it'd be higher still.

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Redwinestillfine · 22/12/2020 09:02

I expect we will be in lockdown straight after Christmas....

TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair · 22/12/2020 09:03

The government have tried to keep us safe after the fact every single time this year.

They really have, haven't they? And I'm saying that as someone who has no idea what I would have done several times over had I been in charge this year.

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Houseplantmad · 22/12/2020 09:12

I think we'll have lockdown on Boxing Day.

ChristmasinJune · 22/12/2020 09:32

@Houseplantmad

I think we'll have lockdown on Boxing Day.
Yep there'll be a nice festive Christmas night press briefing telling us we're starting lockdown the next day!!

I also agree with @AgnesNaismith
This is serious for sure, I'm not a tin foil hatter but I strongly suspect that timing and reporting is being carefully thought out for maximum impact and maximum compliance.

2020out · 22/12/2020 09:35

What would make lockdown different to tier 4?

AgnesNaismith · 22/12/2020 09:41

Schools closing Sad

TornadoOfSouls · 22/12/2020 09:48

Yes, I agree with AgnesNaismith as well. Although the government has acted (too) late every time, I think it’s worked fairly well in terms of building public appetite for/willingness to comply with restrictions. They need a lot of buy-in to keep things under any control at all.

I am not going anywhere at the moment, the rates where I live are insane and I agree that if everyone who can stay at home does so, it will help. (Obviously this isn’t an option for a lot of people).

triceratops12 · 22/12/2020 09:57

Yes unfortunately I think Boxing Day lockdown and I don't think schools will reopen again in January. It feels much much worse than it did in March, but also that's what they want us to feel. I think it's very serious but all very well timed.

Cornettoninja · 22/12/2020 10:22

I think it's very serious but all very well timed

I admit that has crossed my mind too but then I remember that we have had months of people predicting this scenario (without the new variant) and this was always inevitable. Without intending to be smug I’ve been part of the group not really believing it was ever going to be different. I was sucked in by daring to hope that I was overly negative and would be proved wrong.

I’ve settled on this is how this was always going to play out and the only irregularity here is that our government couldn’t bring themselves to be the bearers of bad news and lose popularity.

It’s disgraceful, we could have been preparing ourselves as a nation for this for at least the last two months instead of people believing in promises of a Christmas ‘break’ which was heavily surrounded by conditions starting with ‘if’s’. If you look back at reports since summer the line has always been that winter was going to be really hard and restrictions would be subject to changes to get through it. All overshadowed by ‘save Christmas!’ while in the background furlough was extended to April and plans for virtual learning were being put in place.

It annoys me that by the time things actually do start to improve these things will be a distant memory and people just won’t remember when it counts.

Don’t even get me started on what’s going on in the background with brexit.

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