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Surely the need to get the vaccines out asap is on the agenda now

106 replies

Molly333 · 20/12/2020 22:32

Surely the need to get MASS vaccinations done now is a priority isn't it ?

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ProudAuntie76 · 22/12/2020 11:40

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel

In my area, volunteers have been helping deliver letters inviting people for vaccines, providing the Community Transport service to take people without transport to the hub, delivering sandwiches to staff and acting as marshals to direct people the right way and show them where to park- the actual medical stuff and sensitive data roles that need training are only a small part of the effort. Obviously not everyone has the physical fitness to help at all though.
In my LA;

Vaccines are not offered by hand delivered letter. Those currently invited to book are getting emailed links through their employer, or texts and phone calls via their GP. Hand delivered letters are not seen as confidential, so this wouldn’t be acceptable in our Trust.

Most of the hospital hubs and GP vaccination centres are staffed by their staff in terms of watching over the queue. The hospitals have taken on additional security staff, reception staff are working extra hours at the two GPs offering the vaccine to stand outside. The council employed Covid Marshalls (paid staff) may be called upon and deployed there if necessary to man car parks.

Volunteers aren’t making or delivering sandwiches to staff where I live. Some local businesses (fish and chips shops, Subway etc) have offered but there were some safety concerns in the height of the pandemic. In the hospital hub, this would be the job of the catering services although the long-standing “trolley volunteers” may take food across, these volunteers again have been cut down to reduce to staff and patients risk to outside exposure. Some CEV porters have been redeployed so they may be called upon. In the two GPs centres staff have been warned not to accept food from outside.

Community transport is mainly being offered through the LA, the ambulance service and some trusted taxi firms that usually transport children to special schools, especially now that the schools are closed.

The CoronaKindness voluntary organisation is still in full swing but they are not involved with vaccinations in any way.

I can only speak for my LA.

QueenStromba · 22/12/2020 11:45

[quote Nc135]@QueenStromba except the makers of the vaccine themselves. Stop spreading unnecessary fear.[/quote]
They've said it's highly likely that it works, not highly likely that it will be anywhere near as effective. You're just hearing what you want to hear.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 22/12/2020 11:50

Interesting ProudAuntie.
It may be because we are in a rural area with a strong tradition of community involvement. In any case it has been an enormously successful approach with a local GP achieving 100% vaccine among the 975 people they invited for jabs.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 22/12/2020 11:51

‘100% vaccine uptake’, that should say.

Nc135 · 22/12/2020 12:12

@QueenStromba they are saying that it is highly likely that it works. It may be slightly less effective but even if it is a. The effectiveness will still be enough for population protection b. The vaccine can be tweaked.

Stop spreading unnecessary fear.

TheDogsMother · 22/12/2020 12:24

Daydreamsinglorioustechnicolor That's exactly what is happening. St Johns and the NHS are on a volunteer recruitment drive. They have contacted the NHS Responders initially and there are three types of role they are hiring for. I've just received my link for the online training element and there is also face to face training at some point. There's quite a lot to it but I'm sure people will be reassured by this.

DianaT1969 · 22/12/2020 12:45

@ProudAuntie76 - there are admin volunteer roles being advertised widely.
Don't you think there are a lot of armchair critics on MN who seem blind to the logistics work going into this right now?
I have a family member involved, but even if I didn't, I'd recognise the immense challenges and contributions being made. The people staffing the vaccine centres are also coping with the usual Covid problems, such as children home from school isolating, difficulty getting shopping, helping elderly parents to shield, travelling on public transport during a pandemic...

QueenStromba · 22/12/2020 12:54

[quote Nc135]@QueenStromba they are saying that it is highly likely that it works. It may be slightly less effective but even if it is a. The effectiveness will still be enough for population protection b. The vaccine can be tweaked.

Stop spreading unnecessary fear.[/quote]
You're filling all that in yourself - they've said nothing of the sort. I'm fed up of the government playing down the seriousness of the situation for the entire pandemic and being accused of being a fear monger when I point out what they're doing. Maybe with a bit more honesty, people wouldn't be spreading this new variant around the country as much. They should just come out and say that Pfizer will probably now be about as good as Oxford and Oxford might have to go in the bin.

ProudAuntie76 · 22/12/2020 13:25

[quote DianaT1969]@ProudAuntie76 - there are admin volunteer roles being advertised widely.
Don't you think there are a lot of armchair critics on MN who seem blind to the logistics work going into this right now?
I have a family member involved, but even if I didn't, I'd recognise the immense challenges and contributions being made. The people staffing the vaccine centres are also coping with the usual Covid problems, such as children home from school isolating, difficulty getting shopping, helping elderly parents to shield, travelling on public transport during a pandemic...[/quote]
I’m a nurse with family directly involved too. I have a good idea. I think the public don’t really have much of an idea of the realities. I also see a lot of well meant efforts that actually cause more problems - ie sending massive takeaway orders up to ITU, making craft Mask extenders, or PPE items (everything from masks, to tunics/aprons and homemade hand sanitizer) that NHS staff can’t use and then have to dispose of.

The only volunteers currently allowed to work directly within the vaccination programme are retired or currently not working NHS staff and the St John’s Ambulance. Whilst it’s true you can sign up to be an NHS responder the current roles aren’t for working within the vaccination programme. NHS responders may eventually further down the line be called to work directly within the vaccination effort but the primary people involved will be ex healthcare professionals, the military (including the reserves), the St John’s Ambulance, and then a small minority of the responders. For now, it’s things like delivering medication or food to shielders or isolators etc, phoning those who are isolated and or vulnerable, standing at hospital entrances and asking people the key questions, ensuring they are wearing masks and using sanitizer etc that are the primary sources of voluntary work. Whilst these are extremely valuable roles, it wouldn’t be possible for OP to have a direct insight right now by volunteering for the vaccine programme unless she is a HCP, Military or SJA volunteer.

cardibach · 22/12/2020 13:32

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel

I don’t understand why anyone is worrying about what the numbers were in the first week given the second week has been much more and the third week scheduled to be vastly more again and once the Oxford vaccine is approved things will ramp up even faster.
Possibly because we’ve heard the ‘massive capacity...ramping up’ line before over testing, then tracing, and in both cases it was bollocks. This does seem to be going better though. Probably because it’s actually the NHS doing it, not Johnson’s incompetent mates.
Frazzled2207 · 22/12/2020 13:38

@cardibach
Indeed
But I do wonder if numbers of people vaccinated will stall a bit in the next 3 weeks simply because the priority will be revaccinating the first lot rather than finding new people. Hopefully the capacity will be there to do both simultaneously.

user1497207191 · 22/12/2020 13:40

I don't think the vaccine roll out is anywhere near as fast as it could be.

Our town's GP's still havn't given a start date - it's still a very vague (mid January) on their website.

Our two nearest towns have been in full flow for nearly two weeks now, including weekends, and they've given thousands of vaccines already.

But it's no surprise, our town's GPs only started flu vaccinations at the start of December - they're the same every year, very slow to organise things. I usually get my flu jab at the chemist (in early October this year) as the GP seem to be very haphazard - sometimes you have to make appointments, other years it's a turn up and wait, etc., and they never actually tell you - no texts/emails etc - you have to find out for yourself what they're doing by phoning reception!

It's just like everything else with the NHS - it's all fragmented, no "joined up thinking", no standardisation, poor communication, etc.

oneglassandpuzzled · 22/12/2020 13:45

I'm a volunteer (for helping with stewarding and distancing at centres) and along with my husband have just received emails asking us to fill in various forms. I get the feeling things are moving a little faster. We hadn't heard anything before since we volunteered via our existing GoodSam app.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 22/12/2020 13:53

[quote Frazzled2207]@cardibach
Indeed
But I do wonder if numbers of people vaccinated will stall a bit in the next 3 weeks simply because the priority will be revaccinating the first lot rather than finding new people. Hopefully the capacity will be there to do both simultaneously.[/quote]
I think the figures given will be doses rather than individuals - that’s how the global vaccine progress website is counting it.

BungleandGeorge · 22/12/2020 13:56

There’s only been one delivery of vaccine, how can you ramp up before you actually have the product to give people??

Lurkingforawhile · 22/12/2020 13:57

As I understand it not all GPs have said that they will be able to provide the vaccines. I heard (media interview) that they needed to stay open lots of extra hours, and sign up to future changes they don't yet know about. I don't blame any who have said they can't do that. Surely with the Oxford vaccine the answer is bigger centres, ideally with parking and lots of space. One of our surgeries has been dealing with the vaccinations so far and it's caused traffic chaos and people queuing for an hour down the road. I would agree that we need better logistics around delivery to get the Oxford vaccine out as quickly as possible. This is what the military are very good at. There are military planners embedded in the system to work on this so I have every hope it will go well. I also read a tweet earlier from Robert Peston which suggested that there were good levels of immunity 10 days after the first dose of the current vaccine.

oneglassandpuzzled · 22/12/2020 13:57

There've been more than one delivery of the vaccine, according to The Times (or might have been the Telegraph). For security reasons, deliveries aren't being shouted about.

notagoodyear · 22/12/2020 14:03

@oneglassandpuzzled

There've been more than one delivery of the vaccine, according to The Times (or might have been the Telegraph). For security reasons, deliveries aren't being shouted about.
I have relative in NHS who said we have 2.5 million in the country now. I agree it should be going faster - I can only speak for my town, but they are taking Christmas and New Year off - they aren't even vaccinating between Christmas and New Year. The limiting factor seems to be the availability of GP and GP staff. My relative who works in an NHS hospital volunteered to be a vaccinator and hasn't not been called on, which is a shame...
oneglassandpuzzled · 22/12/2020 14:04

Yes, the nurses in my GP practice told me they were set up to start vaccinating this week but were stood down until next week for some reason.

notagoodyear · 22/12/2020 14:05

So no vaccinations from before Christmas until 4 January in my town...

TheDogsMother · 22/12/2020 14:13

ProudAuntie NHS Responders have been invited to sign up. I submitted a lengthy application and was actually interviewed yesterday by St Johns. Capita are carrying out an enhanced DBA check, I've provided health screening responses and have been given a training portal link for the role of Vaccination Patient Advocate. Its more of a signposting and record keeping type role though, they're not letting me near the needles Grin

notagoodyear · 22/12/2020 14:18

@TheDogsMother

ProudAuntie NHS Responders have been invited to sign up. I submitted a lengthy application and was actually interviewed yesterday by St Johns. Capita are carrying out an enhanced DBA check, I've provided health screening responses and have been given a training portal link for the role of Vaccination Patient Advocate. Its more of a signposting and record keeping type role though, they're not letting me near the needles Grin
That is totally different to my area where we simply email our availability, no checks no interviews. However, they got too many volunteers (hundreds) and don't need many of them (yet). In addition to the nurses at the hospital who also volunteered as vaccinated aren't needed (yet) either.........
notagoodyear · 22/12/2020 14:19

sorry typo should read: nurses at the hospital who also volunteered as vaccinators aren't needed

LindaEllen · 22/12/2020 14:36

@Oblomov20

137,000 vaccines given in the first week. Out of 66 million that just isn't enough. It's poor. I can't understand how it isn't top priority, over and above literally everything else.
It's particularly poor given the fact that after a short while the first people will need their second dose therefore slowing down other people's first dose - so it's more like 137,000 doses out of 134 million really!
CherryRoulade · 22/12/2020 15:18

Any delays are due to availability.