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Netherlands bans UK flights

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RudolphToldRedNoseNotSymptom · 20/12/2020 09:27

THE DUTCH GOVERNMENT has banned all passenger flights from Britain after finding the first case of a new, more infectious coronavirus strain that is circulating in the UK.

The ban, from 6am local time until 1 January, came hours after Britain announced a stay at home order for part of the country to slow the new variant.

“An infectious mutation of the Covid-19 virus is circulating in the United Kingdom. It is said to spread more easily and faster and is more difficult to detect,” the Dutch health ministry said in a statement.

The Dutch public health body, the RIVM, therefore “recommends that any introduction of this virus strain from the United Kingdom be limited as much as possible by limiting and/or controlling passenger movements.”

The health ministry added that a “case study in the Netherlands at the beginning of December revealed a virus with the variant described in the United Kingdom.”

Experts were looking at how the infection happened and whether there were related cases.

Prime Minister Mark Rutte’s cabinet had now taken the “precautionary decision” to ban flights from Britain, the statement said, adding that other forms of transport were still under review.

He urged Dutch citizens not to travel unless strictly necessary.

“Over the next few days, together with other EU member states, (the government) will explore the scope for further limiting the risk of the new strain of the virus being brought over from the UK,” the statement said.

The Netherlands is under a five-week lockdown until mid-January with schools and all non-essential shops closed to slow a surge in the virus.

The move comes after scientists on the UK Government’s New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag) concluded the mutant strain identified by the Public Health England laboratories at Porton Down was spreading more quickly.

The UK also informed the World Health Organisation of its findings.

Sir Patrick Vallance, the Government’s chief scientific adviser, said the new variant, known as VUI 202012/01, was thought to have originated in either London or Kent in September.

By November, it was accounting for 28% of new infections in the region and by early December that had risen to 60%.

“This new variant not only moves fast but it is becoming the dominant variant,” he said.

He said however there was no evidence it causes a more severe illness than the original virus, while the “working assumption ” of scientists was that the vaccines that had been developed should be able to deal with it.

Should the UK be banning travel out of the UK itself do we think?

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racetothemoon · 20/12/2020 17:37

As the scientists are saying, the new strain is not more severe, but likewise not less severe either (from what they can see at this stage).

Nc135 · 20/12/2020 17:39

What I can’t get my head around is that if it has been here since Sept how it is not already rife in mainland Europe. My DH in the Netherlands said that infection figures today are 13,000. The highest since the beginning. Germany also has high infection rates. Can’t they see quickly if this is the new strain?

cathyandclare · 20/12/2020 17:41

It'll be interesting to look at the ITU figures. Someone on the stats thread shared the NERVTAG report which said there'd been about 4/1000 deaths so far in the cases identified. Early days though.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 20/12/2020 17:58

By the way, apparently South Africa also have this new strain causing many cases there. I doubt the mutation happened coincidentally on the other side of the world at the same time.

I thought the SA strain was a slightly different strain. It's still more transmissible but has a slightly different mutation.

RudolphToldRedNoseNotSymptom · 20/12/2020 17:59

Ireland has stopped flights from the UK for 48 hours. Time for them to consult maybe tomorrow?

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swg1 · 20/12/2020 18:06

@Nc135

What I can’t get my head around is that if it has been here since Sept how it is not already rife in mainland Europe. My DH in the Netherlands said that infection figures today are 13,000. The highest since the beginning. Germany also has high infection rates. Can’t they see quickly if this is the new strain?
I can guarantee they are already checking samples to try and work that out. But also bear in mind that air traffic is right down and the chance of someone carrying it abroad was already lower and this is how exponential works.

And up until November we were in proper lockdown so it is possible even if this significantly raises R it was still very slow rise.

AuntieStella · 20/12/2020 18:25

List has grown enormously since this thread started!

I've just had a pop up saying France is needed w banning travel from UK

Presumably like Belgium that will include trains?

RudolphToldRedNoseNotSymptom · 20/12/2020 18:26

France and Belgium have also now banned us apparently - don't have a link sorry.

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RudolphToldRedNoseNotSymptom · 20/12/2020 18:27

Ireland have banned air and ferry travel.

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AuntieStella · 20/12/2020 18:27

Also Austria and Bulgaria close to bans, and Spain calling for a co-ordinated European position

Delatron · 20/12/2020 18:28

Do you think they are analysing the strains in their countries? I’d be surprised if it wasn’t already in Europe.

RudolphToldRedNoseNotSymptom · 20/12/2020 18:30

Yes, us British do get around lol. I think it must be new info coming from WHO that they're acting on.

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GlacindaTheTroll · 20/12/2020 18:30

and this is how exponential works

The increase in cases, or the rate at which countries are closing borders to arrivals directly from UK?

Nc135 · 20/12/2020 18:32

@swg1 I can guarantee they are already checking samples to try and work that out. But also bear in mind that air traffic is right down and the chance of someone carrying it abroad was already lower and this is how exponential works.

But air travel has been happening all the same and even though fewer planes they have been full. Yep hopefully they are sequencing the genome over there now but this doesn’t make sense to me how it can be all over Kent and London and not on the continent.

Nc135 · 20/12/2020 18:34

I was in The Hague for Sinterklaas and Schipol was heaving.

Thepilotlightsgoneout · 20/12/2020 18:36

The new strain is likely already all over the UK and probably Europe as well, we’re just not seeing the effects yet. Give it a few weeks.

happystone · 20/12/2020 18:37

I think we should have stopped all flights March in and out uk then we wouldn’t be in this shitshow

Nc135 · 20/12/2020 18:38

@happystone I think even then it was too late.

happystone · 20/12/2020 18:38

We have it everywhere can’t stop it now

AuntieStella · 20/12/2020 18:41

@Thepilotlightsgoneout

The new strain is likely already all over the UK and probably Europe as well, we’re just not seeing the effects yet. Give it a few weeks.
Agree, and that's the reason for banning travellers from high risk areas.

Because new arrivals will accelerate the rise in the country. Possibly substantially if greater transmissibility means that planes are not as safe as we have wanted to think they are.

supadupapupascupa · 20/12/2020 18:43

What happens to uk citizens who have flights booked before new year to return home from an eye country?

supadupapupascupa · 20/12/2020 18:44

Eu not eye

Nc135 · 20/12/2020 18:45

@supadupapupascupa they can’t move. My kids are on the last flight out of Italy now with my ex - their father. Then that’s it until at least 6 Jan.

Splodgetastic · 20/12/2020 18:45

Well this will make the Brexit negotiations tricky although I suspect they are over now more or less.

Nc135 · 20/12/2020 18:45

I mean Linate not Italy as a whole!

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