Can tier 4 people stay the night with support bubble in tier 2

[Sittinbythetrees]

Just that. The info on the .gov website is unclear. It says very clearly that you mustn’t stay overnight in tier 4 - but also says that you can visit your support bubble. I can’t spot a clear answer! Not for me but for single relative.

Tier 4
Staying away from home overnight
You cannot leave home for holidays or stays overnight away from your main home unless permitted by law. This means that holidays in the UK and abroad are not allowed. This includes staying in a second home or caravan, or staying with anyone you do not live with or are in a support bubble with.

Nope

You have to look at the regulations

not just the guidance .

eg Regs say one exception that allows you to be outside your place of residence in tier4 is
www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1611/pdfs/uksi_20201611_en.pdf

"(g) to visit a member of a household which is a linked household in relation to P’s household; "

Overtherainbow - yes but it’s the ‘unless permitted by law’ bit that adds the lack of clarity- support bubbles are permitted by law.
Thanks to everyone who has replied - especially pp who pointed out that it would turn a tier 2 house into a tier 4 house!

@Sittinbythetrees

Yes, I’m asking about legitimate existing support bubbles. Can a tier 4 person stay the night with their support bubble in a different tier? How long does that turn us into a tier 4 household?

I didn't think T4 were meant to leave their area?

Yes, FFS. Support bubbles are treated as part of that household!

Those people posting links to the .gov pages - I’ve read those, I’m sure most people have - it’s interpreting them that’s the tricky bit!

@Sittinbythetrees

This includes staying in a second home or caravan, or staying with anyone you do not live with or are in a support bubble with.

This implies you can see them but not stay there over night?

if you say, "anyone you do not live with or are in a support bubble with," all in one rush, it makes sense that you can stay with them. Don't add a pause or comma before the "or".

Yes, it means you CAN stay with or host the ‘support’ or (in the regulations) ‘linked’ household.

Judging by all the threads on this question, the government needs to recast that sentence in simpler English.

Staying overnight in a support bubble situation is allowed.

I don't think the writer of the information is at fault, I think it rather highlights the complete failure of the education system if people can't read and understand basic instructions. It might take a second read to check you read and understood it correctly, but it's really not that difficult.

@Cam2020

I don't think the writer of the information is at fault, I think it rather highlights the complete failure of the education system if people can't read and understand basic instructions. It might take a second read to check you read and understood it correctly, but it's really not that difficult.

Yes this... the number of posters I've seen today saying oh so patronisingly that you can't stay overnight in a support bubble, and then quoting that (which says the opposite) is unbelievable.

@ZaZathecat

Yes, if you are in a genuine support bubble, i.e. one single person/single parent family with one other household, you can behave entirely as if you were part of their household.

Not just single/single parent for a support bubble - for example if you have a child under 1 years old your household can bubble with another.

I am in Tier 4.
Am I still allowed to stay overnight at Christmas with my Support Bubble who are also in Tier 4?

@BeAtPeace

I am in Tier 4. Am I still allowed to stay overnight at Christmas with my Support Bubble who are also in Tier 4?

Yes, because that is what a support bubble means. Christmas is irrelevant.

Thank you, Purple Daisies.

Yes. My relatives (one disabled, the other carer) are travelling from tier 4 into tier 2 tomorrow. They are staying with their parents for 2 weeks and forming one household. Neither groups have left the house for 2 weeks to ensure safety, and will stay together for the duration.
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Ginfordinner

You are mixing up Christmas Bubbles and support bubbles.

Support bubbles have not been affected by the recent changes, they are offshoots of your household and you can overnight with each other whatever tier either of you are in. It’s recommended you bubble with a household nearby but they can be the other side of the country if that’s the only way you can bubble.

The wording has now been changed and is very clear, it says:
You are permitted to leave your home to visit your support bubble (and to stay overnight with them).