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Where are the nightingale hospitals?

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foodtoorder · 19/12/2020 21:07

Forgive me for being ignorant (particularly as I work for the health service) but where are the nightingale hospitals?
If we are in such desperate need to protect the NHS by having tier 4 and restrictions all round then shouldn't these be in action by now?

Am I being naive?

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Imaystillbedrunk · 19/12/2020 21:08

All the staff for them are working in normal hospitals.

mouldygrapes · 19/12/2020 21:12

They were only staffed last time because large areas of the health service shut down and redeployed staff there. Retired doctors and nurses came back.
There’s none of that now, and the rest of the health service is desperately trying to carry on.
Also they aren’t hospitals. They’re exhibition centres with ventilators. They don’t have most of the facilities needed for a fully functioning hospital

pinkpanther84 · 19/12/2020 21:13

The Exeter nightingale hospital is open and is treating covid patients

xxmassy · 19/12/2020 21:13

Our local one (exeter) is open and serving the local hospitals. Numbers aren't huge in there because capacity is capped I believe. The local hospitals have to provide the staff for it as extra hours to their normal contract which isn't easy.

foodtoorder · 19/12/2020 21:15

@pinkpanther84 that's good to know they are serving some areas.

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Itstheprinciple · 19/12/2020 21:18

I don't know why the media isn't asking more questions about this.

salty78 · 19/12/2020 21:28

It was a massive expensive publicity stunt

Passmeabottlemrjones · 19/12/2020 21:30

Yes, good point, what's going on with the Excel one?!

Frazzled2207 · 19/12/2020 21:32

The Manchester one is dealing with a limited number of patients. Non-covid I believe.
But it was a massive publicity stunt mostly because they didn’t come with staff. The only people who could staff them would need to come out of the main hospitals. Which clearly isn’t clever.

DrWard · 19/12/2020 21:36

I work in a hospital. The problem isn't necessarily bed space (if it was just that, they could use the nightingales). It's the absolute lack of specialist doctors/consultants and specialist nurses.

We have never needed as many specialised respiratory healthcare professionals as we need right now.

We are already mixing less experienced staff from other areas of the hospital with the incredibly experienced ICU staff to have more staff but this means that these staff don't immediately have loads of the skills and confidence required. Nurses and doctors that usually work in other areas (E.g. Orthopedics, Obs & Gynae, Oncology...) just do not have the knowledge base required to manage a severely unwell covid patient who needs to be placed on a ventilator and monitored, so we need our limited quantity of respiratory specialists to be there to support. These specialists are working so many hours at the moment.

In addition it's harder right now than in the first wave because certain services (such as outpatient services, elective operations, other treatments etc) that were suspended in the Spring are not cancelled right now. That's where we sourced other staff from in the first wave, but at the moment those staff members need to be running the services that they usually run. (This isn't a criticism, services should stay open as far as possible).

I'll be honest, it's incredibly frightening for us all.

I hope this helps answer your question a little.

Buttercupcup · 19/12/2020 21:37

For years the shortage of nurses and doctors has been well documented in the press therefore I’m not sure where BoJo and his cronies thought they could whip up the relevant qualified staff to run these places. They are an incredibly expensive publicity stunt IMO

MrsChristmasHamlet · 19/12/2020 21:37

The one near me has been turned back into a school.

jimmyhill · 19/12/2020 21:40

I don't understand the enthusiasm for the field hospitals to be actually used.

They are there for if things have gone utterly tits-up. They are not a waste of money if unused.

In the kitchen I've got a fire extinguisher I've never used. It will have to be thrown out when it expires. What a waste of money. I could have spent that £20 on wine!

bumbleymummy · 19/12/2020 21:40

Lots of staff are off/isolating. Hopefully prioritising them for vaccines will help sort out the staffing issue.

CherryPavlova · 19/12/2020 21:47

Exeter opened but there are no staff for the others.
There weren’t the staff last time either and barely any patients treated in them. Trusts were told that if they sent patients they needed to spend staff too.

Exeter has admitted about 24 patients in total. Part of Exeter’s problem was PR about them not having used the site at all in previous wave. It wasn’t wanted for it to be seen as a white elephant. Staff in Exeter are taken from trust establishment. The one advantage is that they have relatively low numbers so can use it to separate Covid19 patients from non Covid19 patients and thus continue elective work.

CherryPavlova · 19/12/2020 21:49

They are a waste of money when things are already ‘tits up’ because the Nightingales can’t be staffed..

StrawberryPi · 19/12/2020 21:51

The London excel one is being used as a vaccination centre I believe!

foodtoorder · 19/12/2020 21:52

@jimmyhill how do we define "tits up" ?
Seems like they will be needed if Chris Whitby is to be believed.

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CherryPavlova · 19/12/2020 21:59

The other isis the escalation algorithm for critical care beds. It is all managed in region first. This means Kent cannot just send patients to London, but need to try and get them to spare beds in south east, so might be Southampton or Oxford.
London cannot offer support to Kent and so the patch with the biggest problem is a bit stuffed.

CherryPavlova · 19/12/2020 22:03

@bumbleymummy

Lots of staff are off/isolating. Hopefully prioritising them for vaccines will help sort out the staffing issue.
Sadly not. There are not enough staff for the increased level of critical care beds needed. Some areas cannot offer the 1:1 care already. You can’t just swop an outpatient nurse to managing two ventilated patients. It’s exacerbated by absence but the vaccines won’t be effective in time and staff are off with other things; they’re exhausted.
DontStopThinkingAboutTomorrow · 19/12/2020 22:05

They could surely be utilised better- there must be some class of patients in acute hospitals who could safely be moved there to free up space, and needing less specialised staff to work in them.

middleager · 19/12/2020 22:07

From this week's news:

'The Clinical Lead for Elective Care at University Hospitals Birmingham (UHB), Ian Sharp, said that the Nightingale would be opened if acute care is 'swamped' at hospitals in the region, with a turnaround time of just 72 hours if needed.'

ChristmasTreeFairy5000 · 19/12/2020 22:10

The one by us is our local leisure centre, which had an ice rink. When it was commandered, everyone said it was so they could use it as a morgue rather than a hospital.

Now it is being used as a vaccination centre if the road signage outside is to be believed.

bumbleymummy · 19/12/2020 22:15

The FDA says the vaccine starts working within 2 weeks of the first shot.

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