Is this allowed over Christmas or is there too many families?

[Stillmonday]

My mum goes to my grandmas to look after her daily, whilst there my cousin pops in and also my uncle (all from different houses)
Does this mean my mum can't see me over Christmas as there's too many households mixing?

It's supposed to be an exclusive bubble so three households altogether including you.
So as that makes five households altogether, technically not allowed

regardless of Christmas, I don't think it's a good idea for all those people to pop in at the same time to see Grandma! If they need a rota to look after her that's fine but regardless of the rules it seems dangerous and against the rules for several households to be there at the same time.

As for Christmas your mum is seeing three other households as well as her own so that's four. Five including you.

It’s too many but they’re already breaking rules

Your grandma doesn’t count as that is a care bubble. However it is still too many households to be mixing over Xmas. I visit my mum most days so I am only seeing her and my sister.

Are your mum, cousin and uncle all providing care?

They should not be there at the same time unless your grandma requires care needing 2 people (eg lifting).

But in terms of Christmas bubbles they don’t count. Your mum is providing essential care for a vulnerable person so grandma isn’t counted in the bubble.

Mixed answers there, so I'm still none the wiser. If grandma doesn't count in the bubble - why not? I don't understand.
They aren't all there at the same time, but sometimes they overlap. If they aren't there at the same time is it allowed?

@Stillmonday

Mixed answers there, so I'm still none the wiser. If grandma doesn't count in the bubble - why not? I don't understand. They aren't all there at the same time, but sometimes they overlap. If they aren't there at the same time is it allowed?

If they are going in as carers, then they don't count as a household with your grandma.

If they're going in socially, then they shouldn't be anyway.

Providing essential care to a sick, vulnerable or disabled person has always been allowed, even during the strictest part of lockdown. Your mum is, in essence, volunteering/doing a job in providing that essential care. My parents do the same on a rota basis with a neighbour for an elderly lady who is no relation but an old family friend.

Your mum’s Christmas bubble is entirely separate.

Forget about the rules.

What they are already doing is frankly risky.

Assiuming Tier 2 or 3 then unless cousin/uncle have bubbled with grandma as a single person living alone, then they should not be going inside the house unless they, too are providing essential care.

Is there a reason they all go to see Grandma? Do they wear masks when caring for her?

It sounds as though your grandma is already part of a support bubble with your mother, so the two together count as ONE household. It’s the same as any support bubble, they count as one household with their current support bubble.

as rubbish as it sounds unless they are actually providing care for your grandma they shouldn't be there (it sounds like your mum does so that's fine but possibly she needs two carers for some things?)

Christmas bubbles are separate to care bubbles so if your mum and grandma are a care bubble then they can see two other households but that doesn't change the fact that your grandma seeing your mum, uncle and cousin, sometimes at the same time, is extremely risky.

They all do provide care for her, so I'm guessing Thai means they can have separate bubbles?
No they don't wear masks

If they are all visiting under the guise of providing care, then it has nothing to do with bubbles. A support bubble is between one individual who lives alone and one other consistently the same household. Three different individuals providing care in the same day is stretching it IMHO.

Unless providing care or in a support bubble, there should be no indoor mixing (if England in tier two or three) regardless of if they don't overlap.

Christmas rules would enable grandma in a support bubble with one other to the mix with two other households. If that's cousin and uncle, you couldn't see your mum.