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How do people feel about their kids being a herd?

104 replies

wondersun · 14/12/2020 21:25

It seems that Boris never did put down the herd immunity idea.

I’m wondering if he still wants that big win? Take a risk with the kids but get normality back before any other country.

First with the vaccine. Thinking a little bit of short term herd immunity on the side can’t help?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/14/herd-immunity-boris-johnson-coronavirus?fbclid=IwAR2C-wGREPNhwfGAvgM06MbN-6ErvHImRXwbbiH4KAIulTnCCtUSYIa-4tA

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WhoseThatGirl · 15/12/2020 08:02

I’d much rather I (I work in schools) and my children get it than my parents. They have been isolating for a year. My mum had been ill with a non covid related illness and I’ve not been able to support her at all. I expose my children to chickenpox through school, the possible side affects for that are horrific. Why don’t we vaccinate for chickenpox? Where is the outrage for that? Noroviris? Flu? Bullying? Car accidents? All these things are daily risks we have always taken when taking kids to school. We wear seatbelts, we wash our hands after we use the loo but ultimately risk is part of life.

TheEndisCummings · 15/12/2020 08:12

Yes, blanket move to online for all. I have C19 and am feeling awful and scared. DD is self isolating but DS is still going to a school which is insisting on staying open till 18th. Why....

MarshaBradyo · 15/12/2020 08:14

@TheEndisCummings

Yes, blanket move to online for all. I have C19 and am feeling awful and scared. DD is self isolating but DS is still going to a school which is insisting on staying open till 18th. Why....
For how long?
Underhisi · 15/12/2020 08:16

"Yes, blanket move to online for all."

You do realise that not all children can be taught online/remotely/home educated etc. Even in the height of lockdown some children remained in school and for good reason.

Covidnomore · 15/12/2020 08:18

You do realise that not all children can be taught online/remotely/home educated etc. Even in the height of lockdown some children remained in school and for good reason.

I don't really think that is given even a short consideration by many.

Covidnomore · 15/12/2020 08:19

Yes, blanket move to online for all. I have C19 and am feeling awful and scared. DD is self isolating but DS is still going to a school which is insisting on staying open till 18th. Why

Perhaps your school needs to close if there is a serious problem with cases there.

It's not true for all though. Many schools have not had a single bubble pop.

willsantausesantatize · 15/12/2020 08:23

A few friends have mine have teens and are now keeping them off.
I don't blame them at all. Schools are staying open because the government are not seeing the bigger picture here.

WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 15/12/2020 08:24

@TheEndisCummings

Yes, blanket move to online for all. I have C19 and am feeling awful and scared. DD is self isolating but DS is still going to a school which is insisting on staying open till 18th. Why....
If you have Covid why is your DS leaving the house?
notevenat20 · 15/12/2020 08:26

My daughter is a secondary school teacher in a high case area. I fear for her more than anything else.

If she is under 50 the risks are very very low. No need to worry.

GintyMcGinty · 15/12/2020 08:26

The damage to children on their learning, development and wellbeing of not being in school has been huge.

They need to be in school and I totally support that. I'm glad mine are at school.

Moondust001 · 15/12/2020 08:26

Short of the virus dying out of its own volition, herd immunity is the only way to go, and whether that is achieved by vaccination or other means is the focus of legitimate debate, especially when any such discussion must balance many social and economic factors. It is not simply a debate about health. And, as anyone with a grasp of the subject will understand, even after the vaccine is fully rolled out (whatever that means, because that is also subject to much discussion), people will continue to contract the virus and some people will die of the complications that contracting the virus brings. Just as they do from many other viruses that have vaccines and are treatable.

McNally is being very selective in his "facts" in this opinion piece - just as selective as he accuses others of being. There is, for example, no evidence that family pets transmit the virus to humans. The same is true of mink - studies show that the mink virus has not been shown to infect humans. He is promoting wildly hysterical views of shielded people being at risk from their pets, a view that is, in his words, "scientifically flawed" and "there is no data to support it".

It's really easy to find opinionated scientists who have all the answers that one is looking for. It's much harder to find one that is "right". We are dealing with unknown factors here, and hindsight will be the ONLY clear vision.

I'm not remotely going to defend the government - on any front, never mind this one. I think they are a shambles. But we need to be careful that we are not simply selecting the news we want to hear that reinforces our own fears and prejudices. Scientists have never had it so good. Nobody really cared what they had to say about anything 12 months ago. In another 12 months I doubt most people will care what they have to say again. In the meantime they are not "right" - they are opinionated and part of the debate. None of them can lay a claim to being anything more.

notevenat20 · 15/12/2020 08:28

Schools are staying open because the government are not seeing the bigger picture here.

I don’t think it’s simple at all. If we damage the education of children we damage the future of the country. Also on a practical level, are all the children not at school really going to be self isolating?

Wherehavetheteletubbiesgone · 15/12/2020 08:29

@BooksAreNotEssentialInWales

I’m far more angry that a local NEU tweeted this as representing their members thoughts on teaching children.
It does seem an accurate reflection of children though
NothingIsWrong · 15/12/2020 08:31

A blanket move to online doesn't work either - there are currently 2 cases in my daughters secondary school of 1500 - there has been zero onward transmission in the school community. Why should her school be shut?

KittenCalledBob · 15/12/2020 08:34

Of my two secondary age DC, one has done two days of online school this term (close contact of a positive case, but it was next to half term) and the other has been at school every day. We're tier 2. Much better for them than online schooling.

trulydelicious · 15/12/2020 08:35

@Bluegreen70

what risks do you think taking the vaccine carries compared to the risks of covid

That's not the point

Both the virus and these new vaccines carry risks

There are several threads where posters express concerns regarding Covid vaccines being so new (mRNA) and the fact that delayed onset side effects are not known. When they do this they are flamed and are told that they should be forced to have the vaccine anyway as they should do their bit for the sake of the herd (by forced I mean services being refused to them if they do not comply)

It's the same argument: people's health being put at risk for the sake of the herd.

willsantausesantatize · 15/12/2020 08:36

It's not just the children though is it? Its staff and other workers being exposed as well. They are also being used as ' herd' too.

loutypips · 15/12/2020 08:36

I've said this since the gov said schools must return and remain open no matter what. People told me I was wrong - but looks like I was right about children being guinea pigs!

MrsWooster · 15/12/2020 08:36

@BooksAreNotEssentialInWales

I’m far more angry that a local NEU tweeted this as representing their members thoughts on teaching children.
You know this is satire, from Men Behaving Dadly? Perhaps the NEU have both a sense of humour and an awareness that satire contains more than a grain of truth?
1starwars2 · 15/12/2020 08:37

My children are happier and healthier at school. Education is absolutely our priority.
If you want to home school this week then go for it, but for the majority of children the best place to be is school.

Homealonefan · 15/12/2020 08:38

I'm absolutely fine for my children to be in school. I had to come off mumsnet because I was sick to the back teeth of all the school threads.

One of my dc has already had Covid, and quite frankly I'm far, far more concerned about the detriment to their education and mental health that months of being off school, isolated brings. They are far happier and better off in school.

Not only that but dh and I have had to work out of the house all the way through this.

So yeah, bring on all the teacher murderer posts, but there's an alternative point of view.

loutypips · 15/12/2020 08:39

And for those saying they need to be in school- it's four days! And they don't do any proper learning this week, even if the teachers are trying the kids are excited for Xmas and aren't in the mood to learn.

HazeyJaneII · 15/12/2020 08:41

I'm not happy about it. I agree with the article that the whole issue of herd immunity as proposed by Sunetra Gupta et al is hugely flawed.

We are keeping ds (year 6) at home at the moment, he is medically vulnerable, we are walking a tightrope with school, who are keen to get him back into school. His sisters (yr 9 and 10) are still going in. At present he will not be eligible for a vaccine, I find it very difficult to see a path through all this.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 15/12/2020 08:42

@BooksAreNotEssentialInWales

I’m far more angry that a local NEU tweeted this as representing their members thoughts on teaching children.
I thought that was amusing... extremely frustrated but still showing humour. I am sad for you that it caused you to be angry Flowers
willsantausesantatize · 15/12/2020 08:44

My friend is a ta in another town to me and her primary has shut and doing online learning until Wednesday.
It's working.
Our school are carrying on till the bitter end and my colleagues are really scared.
Different areas are doing different things it seems.