German full lockdown over Christmas

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For four weeks. Starts on Wednesday (15th) to the 10th January. Food shops, banks and Christmas tree sellers the only businesses allowed to open.

A maximum of five people from no more than two households can mix during the lockdown, and for CE, CD and BD up to four family members even if that means more than two households.

How on earth will they get away with it? I know the Germans are more compliant than the UK (overall) but surely even they're going to object?

Christmas in Germany is traditionally very very quiet.

I think that's pretty shocking. How can it be acceptable to keep doing this to people's livelihoods?

The same will happen here after Christmas but we will be in a much worse situation than they are now.

Lockdowns over there and here won't work if they are not robustly enforced.
On the buses on the way to work, hardly anyone wearing a mask and same in shops, or not wearing it properly. I'm sure if all of that really could wear a mask did that the spread would be a lot less.

@Waxonwaxoff0

I think that's pretty shocking. How can it be acceptable to keep doing this to people's livelihoods?

It isnt, these kind of things are thought up and pushed by people who's income isnt affected by all this, and if they were made unemployed could live comfortably for the rest of their lives.

The UK example of this kind of person is Whitty and Vallance, and Boris and his gang

Well if 2 households can mix indoors, they can still mix more than us.

@Waxonwaxoff0

I think that's pretty shocking. How can it be acceptable to keep doing this to people's livelihoods?

Because the damage that follows if the healthcare providers are overwhelmed is even worse.

It's not just the NHS where that is an issue, as this German action and Merkel's speeches (since October) demonstrate. Sweden possibly closest to that, and is in talks to use ICU provision in other Scandinavian countries as they are full (despite doubling ICU bed numbers at start of pandemic)

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I spent Christmas in Berlin once. It was not like here. It was so quiet. Everything was shut for a few days. Think it is more possible to have shut down there. Was a while ago. Maybe now it is fill of Britons and Amis it is different.

I'm in the Netherlands (which is next to Germany) and the Dutch government is now saying we will probably need to take similar measures. Part of the reason being that otherwise Germans will come to NL to do their Christmas shopping. At least that's what the papers are saying today.

@MG2020

Lockdowns over there and here won't work if they are not robustly enforced. On the buses on the way to work, hardly anyone wearing a mask and same in shops, or not wearing it properly. I'm sure if all of that really could wear a mask did that the spread would be a lot less.

I see this on mumsnet constantly, swathes of people allegedly not wearing masks, I have never seen this phenomenon in all the time since masks became mandatory, pretty much everyone complying, where on earth do you live with such lawlessness?

When I was in Germany 95% of things were closed on a Sunday. I really think that everything should close for the weekend following Christmas, people queuing outside stores for sales is definitely not a good idea.

YES @ZaraCarmichaelshighheels - I’m in a tier 3 area & since masks were made mandatory indoors, I’ve seen two people not wearing one the hundreds of times I’ve been in shops & public places! And both those people were wearing sunflower lanyards. I’ve also been on holiday & to you visit relatives in other parts of the country (when we were allowed) & I everyone was wearing one in those locations too.

It’s just made up nonsense that ‘no-one is wearing one’. Maybe a bus of high school teenagers might be the exception but I live next door to a high school & even those walking, about 80% are wearing them.

@ ZaraCarmichaelshighheels

Can’t vouch for anywhere else but I’m in central London and use public transport to get to work and I’d say there around a 50% compliance rate. Not been in many shops only the supermarket but it is higher there in my experience.

I read they are relaxing from 24th to 26th though .

I see this on mumsnet constantly, swathes of people allegedly not wearing masks, I have never seen this phenomenon in all the time since masks became mandatory, pretty much everyone complying, where on earth do you live with such lawlessness?

Me too Zara. Pretty much everyone is wearing one where they’re meant to

A maximum of five people from no more than two households are allowed to gather in a home.

So, Tier 1 with extra businesses closed.

I wish Bojo would grow some and do the same

German full lockdown over Christmas

Except thats essentially tier one for home mixed with tier three restrictions on hospitality.

Thats NOT a full lockdown as we'd understand in the UK

How on earth will they cope? Probably better than Manchester, Bradford and Leicester...

Why are Germans 'more compliant' than people over here ? What nonsense. We aren't dogs. People are good and bad /compliant/non regardless of the country or place.

I went for mot. The guys hands were incredibly oily and was in the office with no mask. Obviously no plastic screen.

I think cases in Germany are a lot higher than ours now. I saw about 30,000 the other day compared to our 16,000. Both not great obviously. Poland also very high cases too at the moment and Italy has overtaken U.K. In total deaths too. My colleague is Hungarian and she says Hungary very bad at moment, they put red marks on the doors of Covid patients in her mums village!

It’s like the opposite of here. I can’t work out their thinking. So let households mix indoors still (we haven’t been able to do that for a while now). But close down businesses.

@Delatron

It’s like the opposite of here. I can’t work out their thinking. So let households mix indoors still (we haven’t been able to do that for a while now). But close down businesses.

I think France is similar? Not sure

I prefer our way. Limit indoor mixing over closing businesses

@Dannn

@ ZaraCarmichaelshighheels

Can’t vouch for anywhere else but I’m in central London and use public transport to get to work and I’d say there around a 50% compliance rate. Not been in many shops only the supermarket but it is higher there in my experience.

Not my experience at all. I get London tubes and buses every day. I almost never see anyone not wearing a mask and when I do it is invariably a young man in his 20’s pretending to drink a can of coke in the mistaken belief that makes him exempt from wearing one

Similar.rules in Italy. No travel outside the local area is allowed over the Christmas week, except for work. They will definitely enforce it with road checks.