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Do D of E hang out on threads?

119 replies

wondersun · 13/12/2020 10:05

Is it just me... or does anyone else notice a disproportionate number of posters trotting out the party line re schools, especially at times of crisis in schools.

This post has even be removed from the d of e Facebook page.

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3535507603151665&id=116423535060106&ref=m_notif&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic

It’s like they want to try and make their narrative seem like the norm and suppress any other views.

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Anon12345678910 · 13/12/2020 12:22

@MrsMigginsMate after working somewhere else before teaching I can tell you it's not as daft as it seems. A well funded Company/Organisation has a well established PR department who are keeping their eye on things that threaten to smear their name. Where I worked, we even paid consultants to write reports on key stakeholders, basically a private investigator to 'put a file together' on anyone who is not on the same page as the company... Illegal now due to GDPR , but I think it atoll goes on...

MrsMigginsMate · 13/12/2020 12:23

@itisasecret. Why should I change my settings that work perfectly well for the sake of one poster who just can't understand thread etiquette? I have literally never had this issue until you decided to tug on my sleeve repeatedly, just stop tagging me over and over for no reason, it's really easy.

This is why Mumsnet needs a block poster function.

CallmeAngelina · 13/12/2020 12:25

By that token, why should Mumsnet change its protocols that work perfectly well for the majority, for the sake of one poster who doesn't wish to sort their own settings out?

(you'll note, I didn't tag you).

noblegiraffe · 13/12/2020 12:29

Well the DfE dont have never cared to defend on the SEN boards or listen to the many SEN SM parent forums.

Yes but the DfE have also never ran a social media campaign to get parents to send their SEN kids to school (in fact they'd probably rather that they didn't).

Itisasecret · 13/12/2020 12:37

[quote MrsMigginsMate]@itisasecret. Why should I change my settings that work perfectly well for the sake of one poster who just can't understand thread etiquette? I have literally never had this issue until you decided to tug on my sleeve repeatedly, just stop tagging me over and over for no reason, it's really easy.

This is why Mumsnet needs a block poster function.[/quote]
You’re being ironic now surely? Stop tagging me and leave all of us bonkers people to it.

Unbelievable.

Itisasecret · 13/12/2020 12:39

@noblegiraffe

Well the DfE dont have never cared to defend on the SEN boards or listen to the many SEN SM parent forums.

Yes but the DfE have also never ran a social media campaign to get parents to send their SEN kids to school (in fact they'd probably rather that they didn't).

That is very close to the truth, sadly.
Nellodee · 13/12/2020 12:52

I posted a link showing that the Conservative party absolutely have paid money to a bunch of professional internet trolls. They hired the people behind renaming the Tory twitter feed to FactCheckUK and making a fake webpage with a fake Labour manifesto to be in charge of Covid messenging.

Do these sound like people who would not stoop to making fake accounts on social media? It's certainly not tinfoil hat worthy to think they will be up to something unsavoury.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/03/topham-guerin-pr-firm-covid-19-contract-conservative-party

Anyone who thinks that underhanded propoganda is not taking place in some form is purposefully looking the other way.

noblegiraffe · 13/12/2020 13:03

I guess the alternative is that the soulless posters repeated blasting out govt lines and entirely lacking in personality are actually real people who fervently believe it to the point of wanting to talk about nothing else.

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 13/12/2020 13:16

@noblegiraffe

If you want a subject picked up by the papers just start a thread that deliberately gets people fired up

Unless it’s about secondary schools being riddled with covid and then you can start as many 1000 post threads as you like and the press will still ignore it.

That is because a lot are obviously being started in the hope they are picked up. Repeating the same stuff everyone has heard again and again. They need a new angle. You can't just be shouting close the schools think of the teachers. There are no legs on that story (Sorry if I simplified that to much but it is just a rough example).
Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 13/12/2020 13:18

@noblegiraffe

Well the DfE dont have never cared to defend on the SEN boards or listen to the many SEN SM parent forums.

Yes but the DfE have also never ran a social media campaign to get parents to send their SEN kids to school (in fact they'd probably rather that they didn't).

Definitely agree with this
noblegiraffe · 13/12/2020 13:20

That is because a lot are obviously being started in the hope they are picked up. Repeating the same stuff everyone has heard again and again. They need a new angle. You can't just be shouting close the schools think of the teachers.

No one has been starting multiple threads shouting close the schools think of the teachers, and I've been paying attention.

People, however, have often claimed that my threads are shouting close the schools while presumably not reading them.

SmudgeButt · 13/12/2020 13:23

Meanwhile I was wondering if Mumsnet was actually part of the facebook empire....

Misssugarplum12764 · 13/12/2020 13:40

Their absolute refusal to step away from the “schools are 100% safe and the best place to be right up until the end of term” line is bizarre. IRL the closest to that I hear from Mums (mainly primary school ones) is “schools can and do spread COVID, and it must be tough to be a teacher right now, but on balance I’m so glad DC is in school full time” Only on mumsnet do you hear (presumably real life) parents going further than that, as posters on right wing media types do tend to sound the generation above. I’d say they were DFE plants but their track record honestly doesn’t point to them being competent enough to either think of it, or implement it. I do think that, sadly, some people with not much else to do with their time, especially with coffee shops and Pilates classes not open, like to irritate others on forums!

Witchend · 13/12/2020 13:45

I have been puzzled by the obvious effort that has been put into propaganda around the "schools are covid safe".

In August and September the media, including the BBC, were full of how totally safe the schools were. No media was asking the obvious questions-eg what about school buses, how can you fit 30 people in a room at 2m distance when there isn't space, what about vulnerable staff and pupils? Or even: What has been done to make schools covid safe? Because the answer was: Not a lot.

When it's become obvious that there is an issue, it still hasn't really been picked up by the media, and if it is mentioned, is in a half-hearted way. Our local rag published something only a couple of weeks ago saying how almost all the pupils were in school in our area... of the 3 secondaries, one was half closed, one was fully closed and the other had over half the children in each year group isolating.
Our area is low numbers, rising slowly at the moment-driven by schools.

Things schools have come up with to make them safer, that wouldn't even cost extra money to the government, have been knocked down or refused.

I suspect if the government had put the money and effort they've used in trying to convince people schools were safe into actually making schools safe, then it would go a long way to making them safer.

But still the question remains: Why? Why is it so important to the government that people believe schools are covid-safe?
Why is it more important that people believe that, than people are actually protected from spread in schools?
I can't see why you would make that priority. Ultimately the latter will be more important.

And if the DofE doesn't believe that threads on MN have an influence, then why would they bother asking MNHQ to put out a statement?
So if they believe MN has an influence, then why wouldn't they use it?

So if the DofE is reading this thread, please answer the following questions:
What actually has been done in schools to make them covid safe?
How can you justify the risk to vulnerable pupils, teachers and their families?
If, for example, a wedding can only have 15 people at 2m distance, how come it's safe for 30 children and a teacher to be in a room all day 5 days a week where 2m distancing is impossible?
("In Tier 1 and Tier 2, the number of people at a wedding or civil partnership reception or celebration (including the couple and guests) must be no more than 15, safely accommodated with social distancing in a COVID-19 Secure venue. Tables must be 2 metres apart, or no more than 1 metre apart if there are COVID-19 Secure measures such as barriers, screens or other measures to limit transmission are taken.")
How come there have been no mass studies on school transmission that will come out in time to act upon it?
How many teachers have died or tested positive this term?
How many schools have confirmed transmission has happened in schools (all our local secondaries have and several of the juniors too)?

I'm wanting answers from the DofE, not posters who have swallowed the propaganda please.

Augustbreeze · 13/12/2020 13:53

(DfE - Dept for Education - it changed its name at least 10 years ago iirc!

So D of E these days can only mean the Duke of Edinburgh, or the award for young people which bears his name.)

Grin

Sorry, as you were!

noblegiraffe · 13/12/2020 13:55

Yeah it used to be the Department for Children, Schools and Families, with that cheery rainbow logo.

Now it’s just Education with Gavin, his whip and bully-boy tactics.

tootyfruitypickle · 13/12/2020 14:12

Politicians make the decisions not the dept. They just have to enact. Pick the right villain!

Justajot · 13/12/2020 14:50

I struggle to believe that the government pays attention to MN. The Andrea Leadsom Q&A was utterly bizarre in that respect (but not about covid/schools). It was about early parenthood (iirc) and posters suggested reopening surestart centres that have closed, funding infant feeding support and adequately funding maternity care. It was as if Andrea Leadsom had never heard of these issues before and no one on the thread pointed out the years of Tory government that brought in cuts and could have made a difference to those services. For someone who made a big deal of being a mother, not to mention being a minister and having people who could have looked at MN before, she had not a clue. I really doubt they are paying attention to anything except their own echo chamber and the Daily Mail.

Witchend · 13/12/2020 14:59

I struggle to believe that the government pays attention to MN.

Yet they asked MNHQ to put a statement out about schools being safe...
That implies some sort of attention.

930onaTuesdayNight · 13/12/2020 15:05

OP I know it’s hard to imagine when you see something that feels so clear but there are a lot of rational people who feel exactly the opposite. Not everyone is going to agree with you no matter how obvious and logical you feel your opinion may be. People have different viewpoints, sometimes wildly so. It doesn’t mean the government is infiltrating Mumsnet threads.

Justajot · 13/12/2020 15:16

@Witchend - I don't think they do it regularly. Perhaps they stumbled across it. But most of the time they appear to be running the country without ever looking of the window at the real world.

CallmeAngelina · 13/12/2020 15:22

@930onaTuesdayNight, Could you BE more patronising?! Hmm

wondersun · 13/12/2020 15:31

@noblegiraffe

We know that the government hired 'social media influencers' as part of their 'schools are safe' campaign in the summer. No reason to suspect that they have abandoned that approach.
Exactly. I might think the government are a bit lacking but I don’t think they’re stupid enough to ignore the power of social media and the footfall of mumsnet. I checked their traffic out the other day and was 😲

I am maybe a bit suspicious, the tin foil hat comment got me a bit though 🕵🏼‍♀️ 🧐🤣😜

I just think there is a lot of gas lighting and putting down if anyone with a contradictory views to the party line and a lot of jumping on threads trying to get in there first to direct the chat.

There is absolutely no way it is not happening. I didn’t know about the “official” post. Will try and check it out. I’m currently having a skive wrapping Christmas presents so best press on 🎅

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wondersun · 13/12/2020 15:33

@Witchend

I struggle to believe that the government pays attention to MN.

Yet they asked MNHQ to put a statement out about schools being safe...
That implies some sort of attention.

🧐🧐🤔
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wondersun · 13/12/2020 15:34

@Augustbreeze

(DfE - Dept for Education - it changed its name at least 10 years ago iirc!

So D of E these days can only mean the Duke of Edinburgh, or the award for young people which bears his name.)

Grin

Sorry, as you were!

I knew it wasn’t quite right. Phillip was on my mind this morning as I had a long conversation with my kids about why he’s wasn’t king 😂😂😂
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