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My weight makes me more vulnerable than both of my health conditions?!

193 replies

Moriasroses · 07/12/2020 12:46

Okay, so I’m 35.

My BMI is 38 I have asthma and I have rheumatoid arthritis.

I saw a post on here yesterday and someone had posted a link to a Covid risk calculator.

I done it several times and my risk is lower at a lower weight.

So even at my current weight, with no health conditions I would be at more risk than if I was skinner with my health conditions.

This doesn’t seem right. Does it?!

OP posts:
Moriasroses · 07/12/2020 16:47

@MoMuntervary

OP given that you've gained a lot since giving birth and have had PND have you made sure that there's nothing going on with your thyroid?

My post natal depression (more like anxiety in my case) actually turned out to be related to an underactive thyroid triggered by pregnancy/birth. I was eating badly too, but that was partly because I was soooo tired. Might not be it in your case, but with one autoimmune disease already, it increases your chances of getting another...

@MoMuntervary

No, it’s never been checked. I’m sure the gain is purely food related.

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BecomeStronger · 07/12/2020 16:47

I love the idea that the people pointing out that close to 15st at 5'2" actually probably is a problem, are the ones with "serious issues around weight and food"

Moriasroses · 07/12/2020 16:53

@JustLikeStitch

I’m confused how many people genuinely don’t understand how severe a health risk being overweight is. Not just you OP but a large majority of overweight people I’ve come across are surprised by this. Do GP’s no longer explain things like this to patients? Is it not taught in school anymore?
@JustLikeStitch

Ok, I’ll just explain again.

I’m well aware how much of a health risk being overweight/obese is.

I wasn’t coming on here saying I’m so shocked, I’m fat and didn’t think it was a risk...

What I said was that in relation to Covid, I’m surprised that being overweight (obese according to my BMI) is more of a risk factor that arthritis and asthma.

My BMI tells you I’m obese. Yeah I’m 14 11 at 5ft 2.

But seriously people are talking on here like
I’m humongous.
Maybe I will upload a picture so you can see how I actually look.

I’m not saying that how I look affects my health, I know it doesn’t.
But it’s really not nice when people seem to be jumping on me telling me I’m 5 stone over weight and I’m carrying an extra person!!

An extra person at 5 stone... Confused
Well I don’t know adults that weigh that,
Unless you mean a MN keyboard warrior sitting there eating it’s leaf and telling other people they’re outrageous for gaining weight.

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MrsMiaWallis · 07/12/2020 17:00

Size 16?!

I'm 5'8 and 12.7 stone and I'm a size 16.

Amazing how different sizing is.

Sorry off topic

vonny63 · 07/12/2020 17:02

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This might be a helpful resource. The issue is when you are morbidly obese it takes months if not years to get to a healthy weight. I think the main thing is to focus on healthy behaviours and as a by product the weight does come off. So far since March I have lost 45lbs with many more to go.

Not just because of COVID but also I could see that I was setting myself up for high blood pressure, diabetes and arthritis that is present within the family.

Moriasroses · 07/12/2020 17:02

You know what’s quite funny. I joined MN yesterday as I was actually looking for some support with childcare worries.

I happened to come across this board by a post on the active threads, I read a post that contained a link to a Covid risk calculator and happened to try it.

I go to a baby massage group and quite a few mums in there make a joke about how much of a nasty place MN can be. Isn’t that so funny that people in a baby massage group would discuss that.

I’m sure it’s full of wonderfully helpful people too, I’ve only been here a short time and this is my first post so I can’t comment too much but it does seem quite nasty to be fair.

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hamstersarse · 07/12/2020 17:02

You have a serious case of denial OP

Moriasroses · 07/12/2020 17:03

@MrsMiaWallis

Size 16?!

I'm 5'8 and 12.7 stone and I'm a size 16.

Amazing how different sizing is.

Sorry off topic

@MrsMiaWallis

My sister is 5ft 5 12 stone and a size 10.

What’s your point? We’re all different shapes..

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IhateMondaymornings · 07/12/2020 17:05

My partner has underlying health conditions and was overweight at the start of the pandemic. As a medic he was aware that he had a far better chance of surviving if he lost weight and has done that over the last few months. His risk has now reduced and he saw that as a priority. I'm amazed the government didn't launch a Health Prevention Campaign rather than just focusing on the blunt tools of lockdown and tier systems to be honest. Not only would it have been a life saver but it would have promoted people's health in the long term.

Toddlerteaplease · 07/12/2020 17:08

I'm fairly fit. And I was quite breathless with only a very mild dose of Covid. I can imagine if you are obese/morbidly obese it's far far worse.

Moriasroses · 07/12/2020 17:11

@Toddlerteaplease

I'm fairly fit. And I was quite breathless with only a very mild dose of Covid. I can imagine if you are obese/morbidly obese it's far far worse.
@Toddlerteaplease

What makes you assume I’m not fit?!

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Lougle · 07/12/2020 17:11

"An extra person at 5 stone... confused
Well I don’t know adults that weigh that,
Unless you mean a MN keyboard warrior sitting there eating it’s leaf and telling other people they’re outrageous for gaining weight."

If you read my post again, I said that you were double the lowest healthy weight for your height, which is like carrying an extra person. The lowest healthy weight for your height is 7st 3lb. You are 14st 11lb. That's (5lbs over) double the lowest healthy weight for your height.

VanityWitch · 07/12/2020 17:12

@vonny63

www.instagram.com/s/aGlnaGxpZ2h0OjE3ODU2NjYyMjAzODQxNjYw?igshid=87o3ujhy51o5&story_media_id=2269795349227207549_226131904

This might be a helpful resource. The issue is when you are morbidly obese it takes months if not years to get to a healthy weight. I think the main thing is to focus on healthy behaviours and as a by product the weight does come off. So far since March I have lost 45lbs with many more to go.

Not just because of COVID but also I could see that I was setting myself up for high blood pressure, diabetes and arthritis that is present within the family.

Yes, good post.

It's much harder when you think of how much you "have to" lose I think. Focussing on habits is much more beneficial ime.

Anyway, tbh op, this thread probably isn't all that helpful for you anymore. I'd honestly hide it. There is a "hide this thread" option, usually beside your OP.

OP has already said she knows it isn't healthy to be the weight she currently is. She was just taken aback by some of the responses and by the calculator thingy. Seems fair enough to me. MN can be robust, and especially as regards excess weight. I'd be taken aback too, if I wasn't used to it tbh.

PuzzledObserver · 07/12/2020 17:13

OP, there is always a reason why people reach a high BMI - or more likely, a whole load of reasons. You have listed several.

I suppose there are some people who simply choose to be big because they like it. But in the overwhelming majority of cases, it is not so. Some people naturally carry more body fat than others, some are naturally more muscular. And a very large proportion of us fall foul of other things - the food environment, sedentary lifestyles, medication side effects, comfort eating shading into eating disorders - which, by the way, are largely caused by dieting.

Whether someone has always had a high BMI, or, as in your case, acquired it through recent life changes, is IMO irrelevant. A high BMI, in and of itself, is not a reason to be ashamed, or for others to shame you. It is a reason to ask questions about what has led to it - without judgement, with respect and compassion.

You have mentioned PND - are you receiving treatment and support? RA - I imagine pain would make physical activity difficult, and do the treatments for your RA predispose to weight gain?

And comfort eating - been there, got the T-shirt, in fact I have Binge Eating Disorder. If that’s a significant factor in your weight gain, I gently suggest you explore ways of improving that, rather than think “I have to lose weight” and go on a diet. It tends to be counterproductive, especially if your relationship with food is already dysfunctional. I thoroughly recommend Intuitive Eating by Evelyn Tribole.

Be kind to yourself. You’ll find plenty of people who won’t be.

Bathroom12345 · 07/12/2020 17:13

12 stone is definitely not a size 10... I am a size 10, 8 stone 5 lbs and 5 ft 4. Sizes don’t vary that much.

Hardbackwriter · 07/12/2020 17:14

@IhateMondaymornings

My partner has underlying health conditions and was overweight at the start of the pandemic. As a medic he was aware that he had a far better chance of surviving if he lost weight and has done that over the last few months. His risk has now reduced and he saw that as a priority. I'm amazed the government didn't launch a Health Prevention Campaign rather than just focusing on the blunt tools of lockdown and tier systems to be honest. Not only would it have been a life saver but it would have promoted people's health in the long term.
I think this too - a lot of people have slipped into more sedentary lifestyles (driving when they might have used public transport before, working from home which can increase opportunities for active exercise but usually reduces 'inbuilt' movement, going out less, getting online deliveries rather than walking around a shop) and I think it's really worrying that there hasn't been any real acknowledgement of this or the fact that since many of the measures introduced have (for good reason and justifiably) reduced a lot of people's 'base' level of movement, and that was below ideal for most of us in the first place, we should all be thinking more about consciously moving more.
VanityWitch · 07/12/2020 17:16

@PuzzledObserver

OP, there is always a reason why people reach a high BMI - or more likely, a whole load of reasons. You have listed several.

I suppose there are some people who simply choose to be big because they like it. But in the overwhelming majority of cases, it is not so. Some people naturally carry more body fat than others, some are naturally more muscular. And a very large proportion of us fall foul of other things - the food environment, sedentary lifestyles, medication side effects, comfort eating shading into eating disorders - which, by the way, are largely caused by dieting.

Whether someone has always had a high BMI, or, as in your case, acquired it through recent life changes, is IMO irrelevant. A high BMI, in and of itself, is not a reason to be ashamed, or for others to shame you. It is a reason to ask questions about what has led to it - without judgement, with respect and compassion.

You have mentioned PND - are you receiving treatment and support? RA - I imagine pain would make physical activity difficult, and do the treatments for your RA predispose to weight gain?

And comfort eating - been there, got the T-shirt, in fact I have Binge Eating Disorder. If that’s a significant factor in your weight gain, I gently suggest you explore ways of improving that, rather than think “I have to lose weight” and go on a diet. It tends to be counterproductive, especially if your relationship with food is already dysfunctional. I thoroughly recommend Intuitive Eating by Evelyn Tribole.

Be kind to yourself. You’ll find plenty of people who won’t be.

Ah and after I said this thread might not be helpful! A belter of a post. MN is fab. People just get a bit carried away sometimes I think. Don't you dare leave @Moriasroses Xmas Wink. I want the company on my new thread Xmas Grin.
Hardbackwriter · 07/12/2020 17:17

Also, sympathy for you about the SPD, OP - I also have it in my current pregnancy, not even that badly, and I've found that it's both really contributed to my pregnancy weight gain and also made coronavirus restrictions much more unpleasant because 'going for a walk' - ie all we're really meant to do for fun! - isn't a nice option, especially since mine seems much worse in the cold. It's all such a vicious circle, though - I suspect that one of the reasons why mine has been worse in this pregnancy and started earlier than my last one was because a) I wasn't moving enough since I worked from home and lost fitness and b) I was a bit overweight going into this pregnancy, which I wasn't for my first DC. The heavier you are the less pleasant it is to exercise, which can become very self-defeating.

MacbookHo · 07/12/2020 17:17

A lifestyle is how you choose to live your life over a long period of time.

You said yourself that your weight sat for years at 11 stone. At your height, that gives you a BMI of 28, which is well into the Overweight category, less than a stone away from Obese. So, with respect, being big is your lifestyle.

If you don’t flounce, there are loads of dieting threads on MN which will show you how to get down to a healthy weight without eating leaves. And where you’ll find endless support and camaraderie in the process. I hope you stay.

Lougle · 07/12/2020 17:20

@Bathroom12345

12 stone is definitely not a size 10... I am a size 10, 8 stone 5 lbs and 5 ft 4. Sizes don’t vary that much.
Distribution does affect it though. I am 5'8", 67kg and am a size 10 with a tummy, because I have a small bone structure and small breasts. Someone with large breasts could easily use a few kg just for their breasts.
MrsMigginsMate · 07/12/2020 17:22

@Bathroom12345

Sadly I suspect this is why we have an obsisity problem in the UK. The OP seems to be trying to push towards the other health issues and ignores what most other people are saying. This is absolutely something you can deal with and manage yourself.

I don’t mean to be harsh but I have had two children and am half your weight and 5 ft 4. Honestly this virus targets the obese and you can do something about it.

I will mention this to the nurses who are looking after me on my eating disorder treatment pathway. I'm sure they will easily lighten their workload by telling overweight patients they can just deal with it themselves and discharging them all. Hmm
User85630296481 · 07/12/2020 17:25

@JustLikeStitch

I’m confused how many people genuinely don’t understand how severe a health risk being overweight is. Not just you OP but a large majority of overweight people I’ve come across are surprised by this. Do GP’s no longer explain things like this to patients? Is it not taught in school anymore?
Yes it’s taught in schools. But people have a hundred and one reasons why it applies to other people and not to them Hmm.

And doctors/ HCP rarely mention it to patients because they get the same reaction as we got here from the OP - complaints, name calling, personal attacks, straw manning.

Why would put themselves on the firing line for people who are wilfully ignorant? All the information is out there easily available for anyone who can use the internet.

MrsMigginsMate · 07/12/2020 17:25

Another great post @PuzzledObserver, wise words and I agree wholeheartedly. People need to take off their judgey pants and be more kind, there are so many reasons leading to weight gain, it's not as black and white as "put down the fork".

Moriasroses · 07/12/2020 17:28

@Bathroom12345

12 stone is definitely not a size 10... I am a size 10, 8 stone 5 lbs and 5 ft 4. Sizes don’t vary that much.
@Bathroom12345

Are you calling me or my sister a liar?
Or both?!

My sister is 12 stone and is a size 10!

OP posts:
Cloudhopping · 07/12/2020 17:28

Hi Op, I use a COVID age calculator (not sure if it’s the same one you talk of) in part of my work to advise in someone’s COVID risk. The calculator has changed several times since it first came out due to the increasing research done on those with serious complications from COVID. It’s not a catch all but should be used as a guide only. High BMI is one of those risk factors that seems to have increased in it’s importance re Covid and asthma (once thought to be one of the biggest risk factors) has decreased. It is constantly surprising to people (me included) the part weight seems to play in covid risk and is often quite a wake up call when I advise people of their ‘covid age’ according to the calculator.