5,000 more cases today than last Sunday

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Seriously screw this, I thought it was dropping.

This is how it's going to be until we get a good amount of people vaccinated. Lockdown starts, numbers go down, lockdown ends, numbers go back up.

But lockdown only ended 4 days ago so the rise must have been accrued during the lockdown.. Just want this vaccination over and done with asap now.

There will always be anomalies, so let's just hope it is a blip rather than a trend.

Someone on the Data thread speculating as to whether people started to flout the rules as the end of lockdown approached.

I can imagine once the tiers were announced people, either deliberately or in ignorance, may have started following the new rules immediately?

There were a number of threads on here as soon as the Tiers were announced, suggesting that people were under the impression the Tiers came into effect at that point.....

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But lockdown only ended 4 days ago so the rise must have been accrued during the lockdown.. Just want this vaccination over and done with asap now.

That seems very unlikely.

The virus usually has a minimum incubation period of 5 days and you're not going to request a test, get tested and have the results processed so quickly. For the cases to show up today, people must have contracted the virus at least a week ago, so before restrictions were eased.

Wales accounts for 900 of that increase as it is going up again, 1004 last Sunday, 1916 today.

And in England it is only some parts of country going up - London, South East and the East

When Wales announced their lockdown would last for 17 days, I knew it wouldn't be long enough.

Early in January we will start to see the true cost of Christmas & New Year, just as the USA are seeing the cost of Thanksgiving.

If the shops and supermarkets are anything to go by we will most certainly be in lockdown come January

I was in the supermarket today, it was heaving and absolutely packed with entire families (including grandparents!!)

My local town centre was packed today. It was scary. No rules being followed, no social distancing. It was like there is no pandemic. I went to 3 shops as quick as poss and came home. All other Xmas shopoing now being done online. January is going to be awful!!

The shops were busy all through lockdown. There were just fewer of them open.

I think the government can announce as many lockdown as they like, nobody is going to comply at this point like in March.

It's stupid to blame people "flouting" the rules for the rise. Most of the so-called flouters are not breaking any rules at all. They just happen to be shopping where other people also decided to go shopping.

The increase can be a random spike, a result of increased testing, due to a specific local outbreak. It's impossible to pin it on any one thing.

I think that catching the virus simply from walking past people who are mostly wearing masks is very unlikely even if it is busy.

So many people I know say they're following the rules. Yet I see their uni daughters car outside their house for 4 hrs and they're not in the garden. Or they sit in the neighbours front room. Or they are they're boyfriend because they think they are ok to as "he doesn't go out much either". Or the kids play together in the park whilst the mums get closer and closer.

We are physically incapable of following social distancing- it goes against human nature too much.

I don't know whether this particular figure is just a blip or not, but honestly, it's bound to happen.

Every time the rules relax, there will be a rise a week later.

Add to this the fact that immunity doesn't last forever and people who were infected early on are going to start testing positive again.

The only thing that will help is if we get a vaccine that can be part of a mass rollout that actually provides some immunity as opposed to just milder symptoms.

Can we really survive more restrictions/lockdowns until everybody or most of us have been vaccinated ?

Agree though, totally wrong for people to avoid each other in the street like we're lepers or to go months on end/a year with no physical contact. It's unnatural and it's bound to break people.
Screaming that they're 'selfish idiots' for trying to have normality and struggling with something they have never had to do before isn't going to help.