Immunity certificates for Covid-19 'likely to be possible', say scientists

[trulydelicious]

Why do these articles keep cropping up if vaccination is not going to be compulsory? What will we need these 'immunity certificates' for?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/04/immunity-certificates-covid-19-likely-possible-say-scientists/

Some countries may make it mandatory in future to have the vaccination to travel there. This happens with other vaccines in some areas. It will also be up to private companies if they wish to impose any restrictions. The vaccine won't be mandatory but people may find travel and some activities restricted if they don't have it. Fair enough really.

Urgh. Yes, scientifically possible. Doesn't mean it's necessary or ethical. I'm trying not to succumb to the conspiracy theories but it is starting to look like that. I don't have energy to rehearse the reasons, yet again, of why these certificates and any form of compulsion is a dreadful idea that everyone, no matter how keen on the vaccine, should be very afraid of.

From the couple of sentences I can read in that article (behind a paywall) it says "Immunity certificates which exempt people from tier restrictions and social distancing are feasible, government scientists have concluded, after finding people are protected for at least three months..."

That means naturally-gained immunity after being infected, it doesn't mention a vaccine, although I don't know what the rest of the article says, it may include having the vaccine, but that makes no sense to me as having the vaccine doesn't 100% work for everyone.

I don't have energy to rehearse the reasons, yet again, of why these certificates and any form of compulsion is a dreadful idea that everyone, no matter how keen on the vaccine, should be very afraid of.

Should I be equally as afraid of my certificates from the hepatitis and diphtheria vaccines I got a couple of years ago?

@Siepie

I don't have energy to rehearse the reasons, yet again, of why these certificates and any form of compulsion is a dreadful idea that everyone, no matter how keen on the vaccine, should be very afraid of.

Should I be equally as afraid of my certificates from the hepatitis and diphtheria vaccines I got a couple of years ago?

Do you have to show them to gain entry to shops, work, school, leisure activities etc?

@Siepie I don't have them and yet am able to live my life without restriction, and haven't died of either of them yet.

*I should add, I don't have the certificates. I do have the vaccinations. This will come as a surprise to some - it is in fact possible to be pro vaccine and anti compulsion and having to show certificates and papers.

SAGE want it
What SAGE wants, it gets

Would rather not link to Daily Mail but it's there as well (full article)

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9019009/People-immunity-certificates-coronavirus-vaccine-SAGE-says.html

If the government have said already that it's not going to be compulsory, why do SAGE keep on about it? I don't get it

It’s a political decision, not a science one

Though science advice will be needed for the safe lifting of restrictions. And targeting relaxations towards those who would pose lowest risk of overwhelming NHS (because vaccination means you are so likely only to have the mild illness) does have a logic.

But of course set against that the effect that the jab will be reducing the risk to the vulnerable and the elderly to that which the healthy young population already enjoys, then there might be no need

But we can’t control what other nations do, so there may be formal restrictions on international travel

@tortoiseshell1985

SAGE want it What SAGE wants, it gets

Well this is rubbish. The number of times SAGE recommendations have been ignored by the government is ridiculous.

*Why do these articles keep cropping up?
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Says the poster starting ANOTHER thread on this. Please stop.

There's at least five other threads about this exact thing!!!

SAGE isn't doing bad so far, multiple lockdown, removal of civil liberties, promoting irrational fear, wiping out of whole sectors and industries
The Government is listening to them

Being able to prove you are immune is not the same as making vaccination compulsory. If anything, it’s the opposite - if they were going to force everyone to be vaccinated, there would be no purpose to the certificates. They would just keep going until they had tracked down and jabbed every last person.

The NHS will already know who has been vaccinated, it will be on your medical records.

And just for the record: vaccination good, compulsory vaccination bad.

It'll be because [insert nefarious reason] at the behest of [Bill Gates / Hilary Clinton / George Soros / Other (please specify)].

@PuzzledObserver

I agree. In a sense, the fact that they seem to be willing to acknowledge that you could potentially gain natural immunity through infection is positive.

However they don't seem to be willing to drop this idea of 'freedom passes'. Passes/certificates that would enable to do what exactly? It keeps coming up again and again.

I think "likely to be possible" says it all

Vague much?

It the same as saying "it's quite possible to be possible" sorry but I just can't get excited or hysterical about this

@trulydelicious - would you hold the same view if the disease had a far higher mortality rate as well as being highly contagious?
The freedom argument was used over smoking bans in enclosed spaces - I kind of lost sympathy then in the notion that people should be free to harm others absolutely anywhere they wanted.

If the vaccine isn't 100% in making people immune, and length of immunity varies, even after being proven, then an "immunity certificate" is going to be problematic.

I have had to provide vaccination certificates many times in order to travel. I can see this being the norm going forwards with regards to Covid.

@trulydelicious why are you posting this? If you are truly anxious about this maybe the anxiety is something to post about. Otherwise it looks like you are trying to make other people worry, hopefully the majority of the replies you received will show you that it isn't working.

However they don't seem to be willing to drop this idea of 'freedom passes'

I read it as an account of the current best evidence surrounding nature and duration of immunity - with the persistent idea of ‘passes’ coming from those who commission the work from this group - ultimately the politicians

I remember getting a green form to show I had been vaccinated for TB, back in the 80s. Told would need it for Uni entrance, travel abroad, some jobs......... it wasn’t a big deal then and a Covid vaccination one won’t be a big deal now. Some people seem to want to make it one, however

I dont think it would be a bad thing.
But, obviously younger people might not get vax anyway.
It would be good requirement for people entering the country. As if they have no health insurance it could be expensive for nhs. Same for other countries. If say 500k brits a week go to spain in summer that could be a large outbreak there. As say at moment its not for bf or pregnant etc.
The vax may not last long for older people

It's a political decision, not a scientific one.

But the politicians do appear to have been commissioning work in this area - NERVTAG (a subcommittee of SAGE) made this report at the end of November

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/940896/S907_NERVTAG_certifying_COVID_immunity.pdf