Will famous and rich try to get vaccine?

[Lockdowner13]

I really hope not. I will judge anyone that tries to skip the queue. I bet people try though.

I watched tv earlier this week and a high profile presenter offered to take it live on air “to show people it was safe”... what a waste of a dose. I’d rather a nurse or teacher had it or my vulnerable family member.

Do you think certain people will try to skip the queue?

Julie could sing while they did it. ‘A spoonful of sugar...’

Ken and Rita off Corrie alias William Roach and Barbara Knox would do.
Seems to be plenty more celbs around according to the list TheCountessofFitzdottrel has found

Ah now what we really need is characters over 80 in popular soaps so they can do a ‘going for their vaccine’ storyline.

Thing is, whatever they do will be be wrong. I have seen so many comments saying that "well I won't believe it is safe until Boris/Matt Hancock get injected live on TV". Then people will say that it was just a saline jab. Then others will say "they are using their privilege to get the vaccine first".

There will always be someone who thinks it's all a set up.

Me? I waiting here patiently for my turn.

If there's a separate supply of private doses of a vaccine then let people buy them, if it eases up the supply and demand to get people vaccinated quicker.

Imagine being a grown adult who needs to see a celebrity endorse a vaccine before they'll get one. People like this actually exist and they have the vote.

If it's available privately it will be a different supply to what the gov buys for the nhs so won't effect how quickly someone further up in the queue gets it.

In fact you could argue it will
Mean others further down the queue will get it faster as someone has stepped out the queue

Unfortunately stupidity is not on the contraindication list for vaccine.
There are people who send gifts for fictional people in Corrie and eastenders when a baby is born or for a wedding gift.
All shall be vaccinated in accordance with the science

I’m not being funny, and I’m usually the last person to say things like this, but honestly I don’t care if rich/famous people pay over the odds to get a vaccine...as long as the money actually goes towards repaying the mass cost of covid.

The country has been decimated economically and plunged into astronomical debt which we/our children will be paying back for easily the next hundred years.

Obviously all lives matter but from a selfish point of view I’m not sure the main focus of the country should be providing a free vaccine to 103 year old Mildred in her nursing home. I think it’s awful that clinically vulnerable adults aged 18-60 are SOOO far down the list!

Let’s be honest, 103 year old Mildred does not have her best years ahead of her does she? But 21 year old Arthur recovering from an organ transplant...well he could, he could have 60+ years ahead a while life and kids...etc I know who I’d be giving the dose to.

Because I think the current distribution system is so flawed I honestly wouldn’t care if 50% of vaccines were sold at £1k a pop to the super rich at least it would go to pay back the debt rather than prolong someone’s life by a grand total of 3 months in a nursing home.

I'm sure there will be an option to pay for a private vaccination

Only when the manufacturers start fulfilling orders to those who wish to sell it privately.

At the moment it's governments only, and also COVAX to at least try to maintain some glabal fairness - so that rich young people in developed countries aren't buying up stocks that are sorely needed for HCPs and the highly vulnerable in poorer nations

@Pumpertrumper - I agree with you to some extent. The priority list re care homes and very old residents seems very political and to "make up" for failings in that system early on in the pandemic. However, both of my grandmothers would have been mortified at going ahead in a queue over e.g. a single mother of 3 in a retail job exposed daily or a BAME London bus driver father of 5/ head teacher with vulnerabilities etc etc. I do not agree with the priority list either other than the fact that it makes sense to have clear criteria to follow. Also I would much rather my 71 year old mother with diabetes got the vaccine before my 93 year old grandmother with dementia who is on her last legs and has been fed up with life and kept alive for years.

But 21 year old Arthur recovering from an organ transplant...well he could, he could have 60+ years ahead a while life and kids...etc I know who I’d be giving the dose to

He's be in priority 4, so will be getting it alongside 70 yos, as will,all the CV. The amount of vaccine on order should cover the first 4 or 5 categories comfortably, and when we have done the first 6, then (according to JVT) we'll have covered the groups where 99% of deaths have occurred and prevented so many serious illness cases that we could begin to look at easing restrictions.

If supply is diverted to the richest, then the effect will be to harm the economy as the number of serious cases would still be putting huge pressure on NHS

While I agree to some extent I don’t think it’s that stark. Mildred and Arthur are both very extreme examples in terms of life expectancy and bear in mind that it’s not that there is one dose and if Mildred gets it Arthur can’t, it’s that Arthur will get it a few weeks later. Arthur will be in group 4 and will also be made very much safer by the group 2 NHS workers having it. And given the way it rips through care homes, unless we are planning to abandon all care home residents to their fate and not treat them at all, that’s where the greatest risk of overwhelming the NHS lies.

In fact you could argue it will
Mean others further down the queue will get it faster as someone has stepped out the queue

You could, but whilst supply is limited, you'd be wrong.

Say there were enough for 20m people (2 shots of each of 40m doses) and 14 million needed to cover all frontline HCPs/care staff, all the CEV and all those over 60 and the remaining 6m earmarked for the CV age 16-60, and that when most the CV are done, restrictions can ease.

If you took 3m doses out of the priority queue to be bought by healthy rich people, that leaves only 3m doses for the CV, which is not enough.

That line of thought only works if you have unlimited supplies

I've got no expectations of getting a vaccine for the next few years and I would like to perhaps see a voluntary contribution from people like me towards the NHS and/or vaccine research. I can't see this being proposed though. I wouldn't make a fee compulsory as this would likely cost too much to administer and work out who could pay.

I do agree that I would prefer HCPs (not all, DH is one but not at much risk in his line of work), teachers, delivery drivers, supermarket workers (basically essential workers) to get it first above the elderly who can shield. However a previous thread about this was condemned as eugenics and granny killing.

I would imagine a few elderly are of that view as well.

When the supply is better I would have no problem with paying privately for a vaccine if it meant I could go back to my normal life. I’m a healthy woman in my 30s so unlikely to receive it anytime soon I imagine

Are teachers not prioritized anyway?

Here in Spain (when it finally arrives!) we've been queued already and teachers are after the vulnerable and the health workers. I'm a teacher but in the private sector so don't count but I'd be willing to pay for an early dose because I don't feel particularly safe! It impossible not to get within a short distance of children who are asking for hour help.

They haven’t decided the order once all the vulnerable people, NHS workers and over 50s are done. Van Tam said they are waiting for more data on how the vaccine works in the community before they decide, but taking occupation into account is very much on the table.

I doubt Premier League footballers will be at the back of the queue.

I don't think NHS workers and carers should be getting this particular vaccine ahead of their clients based on the current evidence. As the vaccine manufacturers didn't routinely test the asymptomatic participants and a non-negliable number of people in the vaccinated group did test positive there is a very real risk that the effect of this vaccine is simply to reduce the level of symptoms from the virus rather than reduce the chance of catching it. If this is the case by vaccinating HCPs and carers there is an (imo) unacceptable level of risk that the ECV will be at increased exposure as cases in these groups become harder to detect (due to them largely being asymptomatic).

To be fair tho if that live presenter convinced even 10 elderly people that were sceptical to have the vaccine then it is a great use of a dose!

My mum has already been offered a vaccine by her private doctor for £100!! However, this particular vaccine (not one of those that have been heralded in the MSM) hasn't yet been approved so he can't give it until that happens.

They'll pay for it privately.

I'd pay for it privately to get it asap.

But I'm in Ireland, we don't have the NHS here.

You shouldn’t get the vaccine just because you are well connected. It’s completely wrong.