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3Cs D and V

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herecomesthsun · 02/12/2020 17:56

Jonathan Van Tam just said that he really admires the Japanese approach to risk.

They look for

  • closed spaces (with poor ventilation)
  • crowded places
  • close contact settings

These are the 3 Cs

Also
D - duration, e.g. being in the same place for several hours and
V- volume - people shouting/ singing/ speaking animatedly

I was fascinated by this.

article here on Japanese schools. Masks. Perspex shields. Windows designed for adequate ventilation with safety provisions to stop pupils falling out. The attached picture is of an elementary school.

Can anyone perhaps explain why if this approach is so admired, secondary schools are open in the way that they are, when they contain young adults, and they currently have the highest % of any age group infected?

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Piggywaspushed · 02/12/2020 18:01

To be honest, OP, we don't even need to go as far as that , but what we do have is the opposite of what JVT subscribes to. And what eh identified as a dangerous space is a learning space for millions of children and a workplace for millions of adults...

He must know this.

But he is not PM so has no influence over policy.

Tbh I am not sure JVT knows what the inside of a British school really looks like.

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herecomesthsun · 02/12/2020 18:07

Ok well in case JVT gets to read this, here is a Scottish school in October, where pupils have tested positive for covid, reported in the national press (the Sun, I'm afraid).

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noblegiraffe · 02/12/2020 18:12

I was stood in the middle of a bunch of Y10s in a corridor today trying to get kid A to stop putting kid B in a headlock. Kid A was not wearing a mask at all, kid B had theirs on their chin. All in all a bit of fun.

And I thought of MN and the horror expressed when seeing people slightly not socially distanced (or the ones who complain about kids walking home in groups) and I wonder how they would feel if that was their day-to-day.

Of course if any of those kids came down with covid I wouldn’t count as a close contact or even be aware as I didn’t know their names.

Thingybob · 02/12/2020 18:13

The 3Cs + has been the common sense advice in many countries since March.

Meanwhile us Brits have been obsessing about hand washing and sanitiser when there has never been any evidence of formite transmission.

onedayinthefuture · 02/12/2020 18:16

I get the impression that Japanese people are MUCH more hygienic than the UK too. Doubt you get people openly coughing and spitting on the streets there.

thaneofglamour · 02/12/2020 18:17

They are a collectivist culture. We ate one of the most individualistic cultures...

thaneofglamour · 02/12/2020 18:18

ARE

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herecomesthsun · 02/12/2020 18:27

I'm all for individuality, but I would go for perspex screens and distance.

That way, the kids get an education, they can still see their mates, and they and their families are much less likely to get a pathogen with effects we don't completely understand, that could, for example have long term effects on fertility, (Covid has action on ACE2 receptors, which are present in greatest concentration in ovaries and testes. We won't know the long term effects um, until the long term, there's no way of clearly predicting this).

I wish I had the right to choose about this stuff. It would be great to have the choice of either schools that are truly safe, or home schooling.

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CovidPostingName · 02/12/2020 18:52

Money.

Govt will not pay for said measures.

Perihelion · 02/12/2020 19:37

Poor ventilation is talked about so little. 2 metres and wash your hands is such bollocks if you're in an unventilated room with lots of others, especially with no mask wearing. True for schools and hospitality in particular

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herecomesthsun · 02/12/2020 19:54

Well, we can implement masks fairly easily, in the sense that they are cheap.

Perpex screens might help a bit and they'd be cheaper than some of the other options.

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noblegiraffe · 02/12/2020 19:56

I think a problem with Perspex screens would be reading the board through them. The ones in supermarkets etc seem quite opaque.

One on my desk would be good though.

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herecomesthsun · 02/12/2020 20:03

Yep I would be all up for putting teachers in a sort of perspex plastic coffin. Like a vertical Snow White. (if they want to that is). Or for putting a plastic barrier somehow between the teacher and the class.

It's got to be better than having 30 people without masks coughing at you in flu and cold season, in a confined space, for an hour, rinse and repeat 6 times a day.

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noblegiraffe · 02/12/2020 21:56

God herecomes, first you want to cage children, now you want to put live teachers into coffins. Is there no end to your dastardly plans for education? Wink

MrsHamlet · 02/12/2020 21:59

All admin offices have plastic coffins. The student help desk looks like an Aldi till. I have a box made of hazard tape on my floor 🤷‍♀️

noblegiraffe · 02/12/2020 22:02

Hazard tape, MrsHamlet. I don't won't to get all four yorkshiremen, but I dream of hazard tape.

I don't think they could put down hazard tape because then it would be obvious that there were desks inside it.

MrsHamlet · 02/12/2020 22:03

Ah ... there aren't any desks inside mine. They do touch it though. So it's a good job the anti COVID magic is strong!

noblegiraffe · 02/12/2020 22:07

I was told that because the kids are seated and I am standing, the diagonal distance between my mouth and their mouth makes them actually further away than they look on the ground.

I wonder what the Japanese would make of that.

MsAwesomeDragon · 02/12/2020 22:08

Could we put the kids in the perspex coffins? That would stop a lot of the "Miss, he took my pen" that I deal with on a daily basis. It would create a whole load of other problems though, so maybe not. (I'm joking, in case anyone can't tell)

Some teachers in my school have perspex screens on their desks, but they are the ECV teachers. Those of us who are just CV don't get them because they cost money. But at least I have a load of windows that open, so I do have ventilation.

noblegiraffe · 02/12/2020 22:10

The hinge on the window in one of my classrooms is broken so I have to prop it open with a ruler otherwise it just shuts again.

MrsHamlet · 02/12/2020 22:11

You have a ruler, noble? You really are teaching nobility with equipment like that.

noblegiraffe · 02/12/2020 22:13

Maths teacher perks.

psychomath · 02/12/2020 22:48

@noblegiraffe

Hazard tape, MrsHamlet. I don't won't to get all four yorkshiremen, but I dream of hazard tape.

I don't think they could put down hazard tape because then it would be obvious that there were desks inside it.

Not to brag or anything, but I have hazard tape AND an awkwardly positioned shower curtain hanging off a flipchart stand.
MrsHamlet · 03/12/2020 06:16

@psychomath what's the shower curtain for????

Whereisgavin · 03/12/2020 07:01

Our screens (again for ECV teachers and reception staff) are not Perspex. I shit you not, the DT team made them from cut off ends of the plastic you use for covering displays / laminating/visors. It is cloudy, reflects light , has sharp edges and the kids can't see the whiteboard through it...

At least our visitors are under no illusions about the tightness of our budget...

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