Tier 3 travel out of area

[paganbilly]

My ds lives in the next county and is a 15 minute drive away. Do you think this counts as travelling out of the area because it's the next county ?

The legislation hasn't been published yet, but if the previous lot is anything to go it will not be illegal to travel anywhere.

Of course there will be lot's of 'guidance', most of which will be made up on the spot by some incompetent politician. There's a simple arguement to that, if it is so important that people do not travel, why isn't it in the legislation?

Is the county you’re travelling to also in Tier 3, OP?

I know as PP said, the legislation hasn’t been published yet but I’ve arranged to meet a friend for a walk next week - she is in the next county over but we are both tier 3 so I’m not going to sweat it!

Does anyone know when the guidance is being published?

"avoid travelling to other parts of the UK, including for overnight stays other than where necessary, such as for work, education, youth services, to receive medical treatment, or because of caring responsibilities. You can travel through other areas as part of a longer journey"

Yes, I think next county is likely to count as 'out of area' especially if the tier changes at the county boundary.

However, if the same tier, and if you live close to the border and it's the normal direction for school/work/shopping etc then I don't think this is meant to prevent the usual daily round. Whether a 15 minute drive means you are actually close to the border depends on your local geography

@paganbilly

My ds lives in the next county and is a 15 minute drive away. Do you think this counts as travelling out of the area because it's the next county ?

Yes it does.

You are supposed to stay within the area that you have been locked down in. So if you live in Kent you stay within Kent or if you live within Manchester you stay within Manchester.

If your individual council was to be downgraded - say you live within Trafford in Manchester then you should not travel into Manchester and people in the rest of Manchester should not travel into Trafford.

And if you do travel outside your area you should only be doing so for essential reasons. That isnt to meet your son for exercise outside. The exemption to this would be if he lives alone and is in your support bubble.

Having said this legally there is no enforcement on this, but it should be stressed that the rule of "Don't be a dick" applies here. Unless you really need to do it, don't take the risk of prolonging the agony of restrictions.

* It's not illegal but.... the rule of "Don't be a dick" applies here*

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So if I live in a Tier 3 area I can’t visit a Tier 3 city 20 mins drive away because it’s a different area?

@Ethelfleda

Is the county you’re travelling to also in Tier 3, OP?

Both are tier 2 at the moment, I'm in one village and he's in the next village down the road but over the county border. It's on the same road as our village.

So if I live in a Tier 3 area I can’t visit a Tier 3 city 20 mins drive away because it’s a different area?

You can but they'd rather you didn't.

MPs are still travelling between their home constituencies (and often homes not in their constituency too) and London when they are more than able to work from home. Another case of do as I say not as I do.

Go and see your dad pb. There's no difference to visiting him than going 20 mins in the other direction but within your county.

@sparticuscaticus

* It's not illegal but.... the rule of "Don't be a dick" applies here*

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I think its a very good rule.

Its actually stolen from 'the collective wisdom of Clarkson, Hammond and May' of all people.

But i think its a sentiment that has pretty universal application. Not just in covid times either. Its hard to find a situation where the rule should not apply.

"Am i being a dick? Am i doing things other may find dickish? Am i trying to find excuses so i can be a dick?" etc etc.

If you are going through this thought process its a fair chance you are being a bit of a dick.

You generally know when you are being genuinely reasonable and when you are into being a dick territory.

Fairly weird that being in London means I can go all over London, right? I live in an area with low cases and I can (and my need to) go to one of the worse areas in London

@olderthanyouthink

Fairly weird that being in London means I can go all over London, right? I live in an area with low cases and I can (and my need to) go to one of the worse areas in London

London Exceptionalism is very covid.

I think its been spotted a lot.

@RedToothBrush when I was looking at cases on maps I was wondering why London wasn't split north/south by the river because there was a glaring difference there at the time but I don't really intend to go far except that we lack some shops near us so it's easier and more efficient to just go into centre London (buying things I can't get online or locally basically). I can cycle though so that somewhat limits exposure.

[quote olderthanyouthink]@RedToothBrush when I was looking at cases on maps I was wondering why London wasn't split north/south by the river because there was a glaring difference there at the time but I don't really intend to go far except that we lack some shops near us so it's easier and more efficient to just go into centre London (buying things I can't get online or locally basically). I can cycle though so that somewhat limits exposure. [/quote]
That would make a lot of sense and would be potentially possible.

Its no more crazy than imposing mythical boundaries around the rest of the country.

Theoretically you shouldn’t. Not advisable but not against the law.
But I’m in tier 3 but half a mile from tier 2 area which is where I work and normally shop (don’t really do anything else atm). Our borough rates are lower than that tier 2 area. So I won’t be changing my behaviours.

I don’t quite understand your dilemma though. If you are both tier 2 there is no problem nor is there if you need to travel through tier 3 to get there

@Frazzled2207

Theoretically you shouldn’t. Not advisable but not against the law. But I’m in tier 3 but half a mile from tier 2 area which is where I work and normally shop (don’t really do anything else atm). Our borough rates are lower than that tier 2 area. So I won’t be changing my behaviours.

Snap to this my shops are tier 2. Less than a 5 minute walk from my house BUT I'm tier 3... the next shops are 10 mins by car .

Life isn't conducted on strict lines... If we were to follow 'dont leave the county' we could travel 50miles to a massive hotspot but not five miles from our house in the other direction. We could go to the seaside a couple of hours away. But not a country walk within 10minutes drive.

We aren't planning on going to any indoor places over the next few weeks, but will go to the outdoor thing we have planned despite being over the border into Yorkshire.

My feeling is that if you normally shop somewhere dont change your behaviour as that counts as essential.

Whats not essential is to go and exercise with / visit a friend / relative who is in tier3 / or if you are t3 and they are t2.

Unless they are in your support bubble or you have another reason to met which falls under the exemption list.

Realistically there will be plenty of people in border areas who can not easily change their shopping habits. And if you shop in one area you are generally more socially connected to that area already so changing your shopping habits could cause more issues than if you maintained them anyway because you are changing existing patterns of behaviour which have created the current data.