Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Covid

Mumsnet doesn't verify the qualifications of users. If you have medical concerns, please consult a healthcare professional.

Does anyone think anywhere will move down a tier before xmas ?

43 replies

timeforanewstart · 26/11/2020 23:58

Does anyone think anywhere will move down a tier before xmas as i understand it they are getting reviewed fortnightly i think? Or have i got that totally wrong

OP posts:
Fredocorleone · 27/11/2020 17:46

I live in Suffolk and it’s really hard going to see how close we were to Tier 1. I think there are issues with Ipswich rising which screws the county average but I think a lot of the reason why we are in tier 2 is because of the outrage that would have occurred if Matt Hancocks own constituency was in one of the few areas with minimal restrictions. Despite the fact that West Suffolk (where MH is the MP) is incredibly low

I just hope that the two weeks will get us a chance to bring our rates down to minimal levels and we get a bit of freedom back. It’s horrendous for our local businesses who are really struggling

bathsh3ba · 27/11/2020 18:34

They are seriously considering the whole of Bristol, North Somerset and South Glos as one area? That really makes me mad because S Glos is a good 100 cases per 100,000 below Bristol. We don't stand a chance, do we?

KitKatastrophe · 27/11/2020 18:40

@MollyButton

The only hope is if the make the areas for tiering smaller.
Agreed. Counties are huge. Most areas of my county are rural and low levels, but the large city 30 miles away (but in the same county) has high rates.
LadyCatStark · 27/11/2020 19:00

No. The government are just dangling the carrot in front of us to try to get us to behave. If we’re all good little boys and girls then maybe Uncle Boris will let us out. Except he won’t because that would require him to do some work and actually properly look into the situation in different areas.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 27/11/2020 19:03

No and I think we will be back in lockdown in January due to those that plan to go Christmas mixing spreading cases into workplaces and schools after.

Many more businesses won’t survive if that happens.

Bubblemonkey · 27/11/2020 19:19

The Yorkshire evening post reckons Leeds could hit tier 2 by Christmas 🤷🏼‍♀️

DonnaDonna01 · 27/11/2020 19:19

We’re coming out of a four week lockdown and have apparently been assessed for which tier we fit, after two weeks of no lockdown do we really think things will be going in a downward trend with less restrictions?

Brighterthansunflowers · 27/11/2020 19:21

No

They need to try and get numbers down low enough that the rise that will inevitably follow Christmas free for all doesn’t overwhelm hospitals.

We’re in for months of restrictions to allow people five days of travelling around the country to spread covid among their friends and family. But Boris gets to claim he “saved Christmas”

LetsGoFlyAKiteee · 27/11/2020 19:30

I know they've group areas..but my local area is low! However places near by Luton,Bedford less so. Going by that picture nearer Tier 3 then down!

tortoiseshell1985 · 27/11/2020 23:15

No
Sage are running this show and they won't let it happen

RedToothBrush · 28/11/2020 01:59

Only Warwickshire and Nottinghamshire have a chance of getting out of T3 before Christmas. Anywhere else forget it.

Equally Warrington and Cheshire are the only place really at risk of going into T3. But i think the general trend is downward and enough to keep them T2 for now but likely to go T3 in January.

I can't see a lot of potential for anywhere else shifting tiers prior to Christmas.

Does anyone think anywhere will move down a tier before xmas ?
OpheliasCrayon · 28/11/2020 05:23

No course they won't.

They'll happily move people into 3 though, I'm sure

Bluntness100 · 28/11/2020 05:49

No, I think this is it now till next year, maybe some slight movement, with some tier threes moving to tier two as cases drop, but I think the intent is this is how it will predominantly stay until a vaccine is well unde way in being rolled out

Ouch44 · 28/11/2020 09:23

I'm really hoping they will move us Trafford into Tier 2 at the end of the first 2 week period. The North West has the lowest R in the country and our levels in Trafford are the lowest in Greater Manchester. Boris seems to have it in for us though so I'm not that optimistic.

RedToothBrush · 28/11/2020 09:24

@Bluntness100

No, I think this is it now till next year, maybe some slight movement, with some tier threes moving to tier two as cases drop, but I think the intent is this is how it will predominantly stay until a vaccine is well unde way in being rolled out
Looking at the numbers and the pattern of spread, I'm not quite so pessimistic. I do think there is a likelihood of more places dropping out of T3 after the New Year depending on how Christmas goes.

Certainly the trend is downward and T3 restrictions do work. Its how much physically and psychologically the Christmas Break affects things.

Having a few days away from thinking about restrictions in October helped me a great deal to think i could deal with them for a while longer. Other people may go completely the other way though.

I think January will be difficult but i don't see the tiers as they stand remaining until March. There are many places which are seeing large declines which are in part a delayed reaction to T3. I think it does take 3 or 4 weeks for them to have a meaningful effect.

The other thing is that there is a fair suggestion its worked through student populations to a significant degree and its gradually doing the same with school age kids. That's not what teachers and parents want but thats what it looks like has been happening. Numbers do look like they are dropping off. So the Christmas break is falling when the Christmas break in restrictions is occurring which may offset some issues in January.

It depends on how nuts people go. I do think a lot of people will, but i also think a lot will do things in a considered way. I am also surprised the degree to which my friends families arent planning to mix with family. After asking elderly relatives if they want to meet, all have been declined. So they will now probably spend time with friends locally inside which even if it adds to cases is a far better scenario geographically and age wise. I don't know how reflective this is of people's plans but i definitely thought more of them would be travelling / seeing older family members.

I think the argument about which tier West Yorkshire and Manchester are in will be more heated in the New Year. Both are seeing heavy declines in numbers.

Leicestershire is still stubbornly not shifting and the North Easts figures dont look as great as they could do so they've a while to go yet.

Kent is completely fucked though. All the numbers there look bad. I will be surprised if they drop out of T3 before the Spring. Its really on the wrong side of all the trends. And tbh im not sure thats terribly good news for the south east in general.

Stoke is looking pretty dreadful too. And it has high deprivation issues and poor infrastructure. I think they are now under restrictions for the long haul.

Im not really expecting the vaccine rollout to really get going until Feb/March by the time things are organised and we've had a short break over Christmas (even for those in logistic planning there will be a pause simply because they have to coordinate on the ground with people likely to take a significant chunk of time off for Christmas)

So yeah i do see potential for more downward tier changes in January despite Christmas. But definitely not everywhere. And i think that the strengthened tiers are a good thing.

From what i saw the previous T2 was only just having an effect but T3 was doing ok in terms of effectiveness. Adjusting things slightly should help universally.

Its worth pointing out the numbers we are seeing now are really a week behind where we currently are, so places should dip more before we relax the England lockdown.

Tbh im more worried about how crazy people go with shopping than they go with the restriction break. And i think thats whats worth watching.

Im avoiding primark like the plague (or should that be im avoiding the plague at primark?).

We've not seen a lot of talk about the impact of shops reopening only about Christmas itself...

RedToothBrush · 28/11/2020 09:33

@Ouch44

I'm really hoping they will move us Trafford into Tier 2 at the end of the first 2 week period. The North West has the lowest R in the country and our levels in Trafford are the lowest in Greater Manchester. Boris seems to have it in for us though so I'm not that optimistic.
Trafford is too interconnected with Manchester to drop its tier too early. Hale Barns still looks awful too. I think the whole of Manchester still needs to drop more before Trafford can be dropped out of T3.

The Trafford Centre dropping to T2 pre-Christmas would be a thoroughly bad idea for the case rate. It might be good economically but you are likely to encourage more mixing of people from a wider area if you dropped its tier too soon.

Realistically, it depends on how the numbers look over Christmas but i think its more likely to be early to mid January before Trafford escapes T3. Its not far off but its how the city works as a whole thats the problem.

Believe me, i would like Trafford to drop tiers sooner rather than later on a personal level, but i just can't see it just yet.

x2boys · 28/11/2020 09:34

No I don't think so I'm in Bolton and our cases are coming down rapidly at the moment ,but I'm worried about the Xmas mixing and the affect that will have on school,s my son has already had two episodes of self isolation .

MaudesMum · 28/11/2020 09:40

Dorset might go down to Tier one - their numbers are only just above Cornwall, and the only reason they seem to be included is because of Bournemouth & Poole which is a separate local authority. Their MPs (all Tory) seem to be uncharacteristically cross about it.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is closed and is no longer accepting replies. Click here to start a new thread.