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Tier 2 pubs - Alcohol only served with a substantial meal - how the fuck is that actually going to work in practice

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JovialNickname · 24/11/2020 12:35

So according to the papers a lot of us are going to end up in a more severe tier 2, post lockdown. How on earth is the above going to work on a practical level? Obviously "wet" pubs will remain closed. For pubs that serve food it really sounds as if you can only get a drink with a meal. So can you drink for a couple of hours first if you promise to order food at the end? What happens if after those couple of hours you decide you're not hungry and leave? Once you've eaten do you have license to then stay as long as you want? Do you have to keep the dishes as proof? Can you share a meal with someone. Do you have to eat it. Can there be some food bank type scheme where you give the dinner you don't want (that you've had to order cos of covid) to someone that's going hungry (cos of covid). If none of the above applies and you can literally only have a drink with a meal, then why would anyone go to a pub rather than a restaurant,and why would any food pub even bother to open given that most of their revenue comes from drinks? In addition, like the rule of six, this announcement appears to place the onus on pubs to enforce government restrictions; ignoring the massive, insulting contradiction that pubs are being asked to refuse customers and therefore being made to sound the death knoll for their own business.

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GuillermoVanHelsing · 24/11/2020 17:30

@TheAlphaandtheOmega

Its just the thought that you would have to add lots of extra stuff to a perfectly nice meal to make it 'substantial', I usually have something quite light.
I think you can still have a salad or a sandwich, just not a packet of Scampi Fries or a pickled egg!
ApolloandDaphne · 24/11/2020 17:32

[quote Ifailed]@ApolloandDaphne, drinking a cup of coffee in a chain store is not the same as going to a pub where you are a regular, where you know most of the people and where you may have been going to for years.[/quote]
But you can go to the pub and order a coffee. Just not alcohol. Honestly people are really searching for things to get het up about. Would you rather they just kept all hospitality venues closed?

ceeveebee · 24/11/2020 17:35

That would be very hard given that restaurants will all be close in the new tier 3.

Here are some simple guides that hopefully make it clearer

Tier 2 pubs - Alcohol only served with a substantial meal - how the fuck is that actually going to work in practice
Tier 2 pubs - Alcohol only served with a substantial meal - how the fuck is that actually going to work in practice
Tier 2 pubs - Alcohol only served with a substantial meal - how the fuck is that actually going to work in practice
Ifailed · 24/11/2020 17:35

Would you rather they just kept all hospitality venues closed?

Effectively, that's what they will do for a lot. They are great many pubs that do not serve food, or certainly not 'substantial' meals. You may not be aware of them, fair enough, but others are.

TheAlphaandtheOmega · 24/11/2020 17:36

Why would they call it substantial if you could have a salad or lighter meal, substantial means a considerable amount or quantity, they obviously want to put some people off going, DH would probably eat the excess thoughGrin

ceeveebee · 24/11/2020 17:37

Sorry - my post was supposed to be in reply to @xmaslockdown

User158340 · 24/11/2020 17:38

@Ifailed

There's an awful lot of people for whom going out every now and then to meet friends for a drink during the day, who don't want to either eat or can't afford a 'substantial' meal, will be left out.
This would include me, but I won't be meeting up with friends anyway until things are more back to normal hopefully in a few months.

Is the mask rule still there in pubs/restaurants when you go in?

User158340 · 24/11/2020 17:40

@TheAlphaandtheOmega

Why would they call it substantial if you could have a salad or lighter meal, substantial means a considerable amount or quantity, they obviously want to put some people off going, DH would probably eat the excess thoughGrin
Because they don't want people just ordering a side order like nachos or chips to get around the rules of ordering food.

Pubs in effect have to become restaurants. 'Substantial' essentially means main course, not just walk in and order a starter or side order.

XiCi · 24/11/2020 17:52

FFS why is this so hard to understand. Substantial doesnt mean you have to eat a pie the size of a house. It means you cant serve someone 20 pints with a bag of dry roasted or a pack of quavers.

Love that the mumsnet competitive undereaters have even infiltrated the coronavirus threads though Grin. Oooooh I couldnt possibly est a substantial meal oh no I only inhale lettuce essence, everyone eating chips in pubs are just big fat hairy pigs Hmm

psychomath · 24/11/2020 18:02

Lol XICI - do you think vapour of celery counts as a substantial meal, or will I be forced to pig out and order cabbage soup?

fliss444 · 24/11/2020 18:06

@XiCi

FFS why is this so hard to understand. Substantial doesnt mean you have to eat a pie the size of a house. It means you cant serve someone 20 pints with a bag of dry roasted or a pack of quavers.

Love that the mumsnet competitive undereaters have even infiltrated the coronavirus threads though Grin. Oooooh I couldnt possibly est a substantial meal oh no I only inhale lettuce essence, everyone eating chips in pubs are just big fat hairy pigs Hmm

Spot on. Where is the thumbs up /like when you need it?
Ginogineli · 24/11/2020 18:07

To be fair near me when we had this fuel last month pubs were giving meals for £1 to get people in! Jay simple burger and chips - lunch size portion

They don’t care they’re just ticking the box

Can’t blame them they need the money

Ginogineli · 24/11/2020 18:07

Rule

sleepwouldbenice · 24/11/2020 18:21

@Ifailed

Would you rather they just kept all hospitality venues closed?

Effectively, that's what they will do for a lot. They are great many pubs that do not serve food, or certainly not 'substantial' meals. You may not be aware of them, fair enough, but others are.

We were in tier 3 for a good while with this restriction before lockdown

Where viable the actual process worked fine. But 3 out of 5 local pubs closed their doors as non viable

WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 24/11/2020 18:39

@Flev

Threads like this make me realise how little attention people "down south" paid to the restrictions elsewhere previously!
Don't be ridiculous. Fielding the North v South divide is so unnecessary. Grow up.
RegularHumanBartender · 24/11/2020 18:45

I'm surprised people are reporting being given 2 hour time slots. I didn't experience this anywhere. If we ate at say 2pm then we stayed until they closed with no issues.

Ginogineli · 24/11/2020 19:09

Same here regular

I actually emailed a few places and got confirmation that there’s no exit time

I presume it must be places which make more money on food than drink - higher end restaurants

RegularHumanBartender · 24/11/2020 19:37

I did the same, rang up beforehand to check there were no time limits! Stay long enough in pub 1 to be ready to eat a substantial meal in pub 2 Grin

NuniaBeeswax · 24/11/2020 19:55

If only there were nearby countries that had these exact same rules recently that could be looked at as an examples. Gosh, it really is a mystery how these rules will work.

NuniaBeeswax · 24/11/2020 19:57

"Just the thought of a substantial meal makes me feel a bit queasy, in a pub it generally means a big pile of chips to make the meal look substantial, yuk, no wonder so many are overweight in the UK"

Stay at home then. Problem solved.

Bloodypunkrockers · 24/11/2020 20:12

@NuniaBeeswax

If only there were nearby countries that had these exact same rules recently that could be looked at as an examples. Gosh, it really is a mystery how these rules will work.
Very true. But then we wouldn't get the over dramatic "how the fuck"
Feckers2018 · 24/11/2020 23:16

In the NW some wet pubs offered just chips or tiny pizzas more or less for free. Pathetic. Tier 3 did not work at all.

sleepwouldbenice · 25/11/2020 00:00

@Feckers2018

In the NW some wet pubs offered just chips or tiny pizzas more or less for free. Pathetic. Tier 3 did not work at all.
Do you mean tier 3 didn’t work to stop some pubs doing what they wanted or burning down infection rates. It definitely did the latter
sleepwouldbenice · 25/11/2020 00:00
  • bringing.....
PurpleDaisies · 25/11/2020 07:49

Tier 3 did not work at all.

That’s not what public health have been saying.