Qantas will require proof of vaccination

[PaddyF0dder]

www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-australia-55048438

Personally I’m delighted. Decisive action like this is required to ensure we emerge from the pandemic.

Vaccination remains voluntary. But like any other choice, it comes with consequences.

Hopefully other airlines will follow.

@Pikachubaby

I think everyone is jumping on this vaccine way too quickly

I will not be flying anyway, but neither will I take this vaccine (until it’s been tested a bit more, long term effects, and also wait and see hit Covid will mutate)

It’s all too fast for me, no thanks

I am no scientist but I assumed that one of the benefits of speed was to tackle the virus before it mutates, so that we are not faced with many constantly evolving strains of a potentially lethal virus.

I agree with requiring vaccination to fly in principle, but think it will be scrapped due to the logistics of enforcing it. It would require people to present some form of proof of vaccination. Training staff on what this should look like to detect fakes would be a nightmare. Various countries have privacy laws about medical information as well which could complicate things.

It's not uncommon for countries to ask to see vaccination certificates, either all the time or during outbreaks of certain diseases.

You cannot get into Peru without a Yellow Fever vaccination and if you go on Hajj from the UK you cannot even get a visa without a vaccination certificate.

The WHO has standard certificates already.

Which countries are we talking about? Are they major tourist destinations?

Machu Picchu was getting 1.5 million visitors a year. Hajj attracts about 2.5 million.

They may not be the most popular tourist (ot pilgrimage) sites but they attract people from around the world.

Why would the virus stop mutating just because there’s a vaccine for it?

It will be a cold day in hell before I board a Qatar airlines flight after what happened at Doha.

Qantas unlikely to go under, I suspect we would buy them back before allowing that.

It may shock people on MN but Australia isn't solely dependant on tourism for our income.

I look forward to the day we can open up the doors again but we CAN manage for a while yet.

Fairybatman

Somewhere that I’ve been in Central / South America you had to carry a yellow fever vaccination certificate or risk getting a mandatory vaccine. It might have been somewhere in Brazil.

Quite possibly..Yellow Fever is I gather prevalent in large areas of Brazil..I think ATM the only area (French DOM-TOM) in that part of the world that actually demands a certificate for entry is French Guiana..

OTOH there's still a big chunk of central Africa where the certificate is required for entry.

I hope "anti-vaxxers" will bankrupt them for that

In your dreams :o

If you can afford to go abroad, you can afford the vaccines.

Surely that would depend on the price. I'm sure that were plenty of people who could have afforded a summer holiday abroad this year but couldn't when the cost of a compulsory private covid test was factored in at £200 a head.

@DameEdnaFitzgerald

I don’t understand why people are losing their shit over this. Vaccine certificates are required for travel in some parts of the world already. Yellow Fever for example.

You really dont understand?

Yellow fever vaccine is required for a handful of countries in the world. It's been around for years. Yellow fever carries a 15% risk of serious complications. Covid, 0.6%

This Qantas rule would require children to take a vaccine which poses a risk to them, against a disease which has virtually no risk.

Tanzania you have to have a yellow fever vaccination to enter.

This Qantas rule would require children to take a vaccine which poses a risk to them, against a disease which has virtually no risk

Perhaps that are looking at the bigger picture, not just the relatively low risk to children.

they are

This Qantas rule would require children to take a vaccine which poses a risk to them, against a disease which has virtually no risk.

To them...however if not being vaccinated means an infected child can still carry and spread the disease on arrival into another country then what?

We don't know that the vaccine poses a risk to children!!

Covid mite though

You cannot get into Peru without a Yellow Fever vaccination

This is not correct.

"Proof of yellow fever vaccination is not required for entry into Peru, and travelers limiting their itineraries to Lima, Cusco, Machu Picchu, and the Inca Trail do not need yellow fever vaccination."

wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/yellowbook/2020/popular-itineraries/peru-cusco-machu-picchu-and-other-regions

@JanewaysBun

Tanzania you have to have a yellow fever vaccination to enter.

Only if you come from one of a small number of countries deemed high risk.

A lot of inaccuracies on this thread.

We had to have Yellow Fever vax for Kenya. That's a major tourist destination.

@Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady

We don't know that the vaccine poses a risk to children!!

Covid mite though

All vaccines carry a risk of adverse reactions. Usually the risks of the disease are much worse.

Unless you think this one is mysteriously different?

Never required one for Kenya, but FWIW this US article from January gives some overview and provides a list of countries where proof of Vaccination on entry is required, irrespective of country of origin..

www.tripsavvy.com/countries-requiring-yellow-fever-vaccination-2972946

TBH I think wailing about this is pointless, some people are going to have to pull up their big girl or boy pants and accept that sometimes inaction may have consequences....no jab, no right to travel without limitation

.and the idea that the anti vaxers are going to be able to run Qantas or any other airlines requiring a jab out of business is almost laughable...

.and the idea that the anti vaxers are going to be able to run Qantas or any other airlines requiring a jab out of business is almost laughable...

I don't think it's about 'anti-vaxers'.

It's very likely that the vaccines won't be available to the entire population, even in wealthy countries, for quite some time. So if airlines and/or countries reliant on tourism demand that all visitors be vaccinated, they're going to do themselves out of a vast amount of business, especially as the relatively young and healthy are probably those most likely to travel. Since many airlines are already on the brink, this could push them over the edge.

@Changi

This Qantas rule would require children to take a vaccine which poses a risk to them, against a disease which has virtually no risk

Perhaps that are looking at the bigger picture, not just the relatively low risk to children.

Children are always being sacrificed for the convenience of adults 😢

Having lived in countries that required shed loads of vaccines incl at some point yellow fever ( also my childhood memory was a cholera jab every six months), i think that just because you haven't lived that life doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I want vaccimes to be a condition of travel, frankly

It’s a bit silly to call people who don’t want this particular vaccine (for lots of different reasons) ‘anti-vaxxers’.

It’s not “silly”, it’s a clever way to group people who have any doubts or questions about this brand new virus (and how it’s dealt with), under the anti-vaxers/flat-earthward/total idiots.

I am not an anti-vaxer... but I am wary of this new vaccine as my confidence in the current gvt is very low, and they keep lying and feeding us false stats to ensure compliance. So I do not trust them.

So I’d like to wait and see a bit

I want vaccimes to be a condition of travel, frankly

What about those that can't have the vaccine?

Since many airlines are already on the brink, this could push them over the edge

Qantas are already being propped up by the Aussie government.

The island nations which are gong for rigid containment/eradication may well have governments which support these sorts of measures. Especially as at least one of Australia's clusters has been attributed to a quarantine centre.

I don't see travel to NZ being allowed without proof of vaccination (modelled on the yellow fever system)