Just imagine.....

[WindChimeTinkle]

Imagine how shit it would be if none of the vaccines had been found to work. I mean it would have been awful.

But, soon, maybe spring we can ditch the masks and get back to normal. I could cry.

@starfro

Vaccines are going to protect the elderly against future small localised outbreaks, but actually we're approaching the point where we're past the HIT.

It's great that they will make people think that things are back to normal and everything will open up, but the reality is that a future with no vaccine would look farily similar to one with a vaccine.

I don't think this is correct. WHO is predicting a third wave for Europe in latest news today.

@WindChimeTinkle

Why are so many people on Mumsnet miserable bastards?

Anybody would think they enjoyed wearing masks and having everything shut. 😂😂😂

There's a difference between been a miserable bastard and a realist.

don't think this is correct. WHO is predicting a third wave for Europe in latest news today

This use of the term 'wave' is irritating. It has to be wrong.

If we had done nothing and had no mitigation of risks and we had not intervened in any way whatsoever to prevent the natural process of the virus to transmit then we could talk in terms of waves. We can't. We have caused peaks and troughs by intervention.

So, no there is not going to be a third wave. The virus will have more hosts to mingle with because we will have fewer restrictions and more contacts....thats all.

I'm not loving this. I hate it.

But I've also lived a life where nothing ever ends happily, sadly. I mean - we make the best of what we've got. But my child's disability for example didn't go away. She has to live with it for the rest of her life and so do we. As much as we believed at the beginning that that wouldn't be the case. It was and is.

Family death couldn't be undone or reversed. We had to keep going and make the best of it.

I just don't believe that everything is going to be OK with Covid, suddenly. It will be one day. Maybe. Whatever Ok might be. But the vaccine is not going to change the trajectory that we are now on. Not by much.

Physio/exercise (which we can't do much of now) help my daughter's disability. It reduces the effects but doesn't make it go away.

That's how I see the vaccine.

I don't understand how people think it's going to make everything go back to normal. People who think like this must have had a smooth lucky life.

I don't think I've had a particularly difficult life. I am very aware of that because I'm aware that other people have had a life more difficult than mine. I choose to be optimistic because I believe that the purpose of life is to improve it.....ie, not to accept a life that is "poor, nasty, brutish and short" but then I'm a hard left socialist who thinks that with the will to do so all lives could reach their potential, and we could all live more fulfilled happy lives. The only thing stopping us is imagination. Realism has its place in analysing what we see, optimism has its place in changing things. We need both.

Yeh I think about this

Tg it’s been good news

kittensarecute - telling me to “shut up” isn’t very polite is it? It’s not a scaremongering and a couple of people above have said they would be fine with a Covid vaccination on their phone - so what’s the problem?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2020/11/22/freedom-pass-plan-for-brits-testing-negative-for-covid-twice-a-week-13635180/amp/

I find being told to “shut up” pretty unpleasant when I am expressing an opinion in a polite way. No name calling required, we are all adults here.

@Funkypolar

kittensarecute - telling me to “shut up” isn’t very polite is it? It’s not a scaremongering and a couple of people above have said they would be fine with a Covid vaccination on their phone - so what’s the problem?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2020/11/22/freedom-pass-plan-for-brits-testing-negative-for-covid-twice-a-week-13635180/amp/

I find being told to “shut up” pretty unpleasant when I am expressing an opinion in a polite way. No name calling required, we are all adults here.

I apologise, I will ask for my post to be deleted.

Realistically I think the government are going to have great difficulty enforcing that people wear masks and constantly stay 2m away from people once a lot of folk have been vaccinated. I certainly will be reluctant to wear a mask after that! Can’t come soon enough!

This use of the term 'wave' is irritating. It has to be wrong
No, if the WHO use it, it is the right word. it's just you don't like it.

@WindChimeTinkle

Why are so many people on Mumsnet miserable bastards?

Anybody would think they enjoyed wearing masks and having everything shut. 😂😂😂

I truly believe many of them do enjoy it.

"They'll never be able to develop a vaccine against it"
[scientists start developing vaccines]
"Well okay they will, but it'll take five years at LEAST and that's being optimistic"
[vaccines take less than a year]
"Well okay they will develop a vaccine fast, but it won't work that well, it'll maybe be 50% effective"
[trials show vaccines are very effective]
"Well okay they will develop a vaccine fast and it'll be effective, but it won't work to reduce transmission"
[trials show vaccine reduces transmission]
"Well okay they will develop a vaccine fast and it'll be effective and it'll reduce transmission, but it still won't bring back normal life..."

If you're still pronouncing doom and gloom about the future of the pandemic after all this fantastic vaccine news, then you're not 'being a realist', you're just wallowing in unlikely worst-case scenarios.

@Twiggywinkle13

Realistically I think the government are going to have great difficulty enforcing that people wear masks and constantly stay 2m away from people once a lot of folk have been vaccinated. I certainly will be reluctant to wear a mask after that! Can’t come soon enough!

Absolutely! Just let them try (which I'm sure they'll find some excuse to do because they do seem to be loving all this power) 🙂

The thought of not having to queue for the supermarket while wearing a mask is very cheering.

Wow it must be a very dark day today for the doom mongers and lockdown enthusiasts. My sincere condolences to you all that this hideous period will soon be a distant memory.

Hopefully brexit will provide you with some consolation - plenty of things to fixate your negativity on related to that.

@kittensarecute

No need to request your post be deleted. Funkybear is scaremongering. They have posted a link to an article earlier in the thread, which they claim argues that we will have to continue with restrictions even after a vaccine, when it doesn't actually, it just argues it will take time for normality to resume. I suspect they didn't even read it, just saw the title which does suggest the article will go on to reflect their claims, and so posted it. It looks like they just enjoy encouraging people to believe things will be grim forever.

@Twiggywinkle13

Realistically I think the government are going to have great difficulty enforcing that people wear masks and constantly stay 2m away from people once a lot of folk have been vaccinated. I certainly will be reluctant to wear a mask after that! Can’t come soon enough!

Yes once A lot of people are vaccinated who is going to be happy to keep social distancing? I’m going to drop it as soon as the vulnerable people I know are vaccinated

@WindChimeTinkle

Why are so many people on Mumsnet miserable bastards?

Anybody would think they enjoyed wearing masks and having everything shut. 😂😂😂

The y do! That's the problem! Weirdos.

@MiniTheMinx

don't think this is correct. WHO is predicting a third wave for Europe in latest news today

This use of the term 'wave' is irritating. It has to be wrong.

If we had done nothing and had no mitigation of risks and we had not intervened in any way whatsoever to prevent the natural process of the virus to transmit then we could talk in terms of waves. We can't. We have caused peaks and troughs by intervention.

So, no there is not going to be a third wave. The virus will have more hosts to mingle with because we will have fewer restrictions and more contacts....thats all.

But all pandemics result in people changing their behaviour, whether it’s government led or people simply not going out as much. So if it only counts as a wave with no human intervention when does it ever count? In the Elizabethan age they might not have known much about how it worked but they closed the playhouses. Isolating sick people is referred to in the Old Testament. So no pandemic ever has waves? Surely the term wave simply refers to the numbers, regardless of what the many factors are each time.

We’re seeing a credible path back to normality. It’s good news cannot wait.

@Twiggywinkle13

Realistically I think the government are going to have great difficulty enforcing that people wear masks and constantly stay 2m away from people once a lot of folk have been vaccinated. I certainly will be reluctant to wear a mask after that! Can’t come soon enough!

I agree. I think social distancing is on its last legs because (rightly or wrongly) people have had enough and feel they have sacrificed plenty already. Hopefully there’ll be enough of us complying over the winter to avert a catastrophe but come spring, I think a significant number of people will just think fuck it, not doing this anymore. Plus the economy cannot take the social distancing indefinitely.

This is why it’s bloody brilliant about the vaccines as I’m not sure what the Plan B was. Social distancing and lockdowns won’t be a viable option much longer so fuck knows what would have happened.

I don't understand how people think it's going to make everything go back to normal.

Because it will stop most illness and lower hospitalisation. Whichever one we use. It will mean we don’t have to shut things down to stop healthcare being overwhelmed. So it will be back to normal.

I’m not sure there was a viable plan B. This was it. Tg it worked.

@Funkypolar

Life won’t be going back to how it used to be.

Of course it will. This is not the first pandemic the world has experienced. Far from it. The wonders of modern science have found a way to end the pandemic in under a year, which is astonishing. One of the top scientists from the Pfizer team said he expects us to be completely back to normal this time next year, and now, with the good news from Oxford, it could be sooner than that.

Two years from now this will very likely be a bizarre memory. Sorry i that disappoints you.