The government is encouraging covid spread in schools

[noblegiraffe]

Bear with me, because if they're not, you have to explain this:

1. Schools will stay fully open end of. Even when they're not.

1. No masks allowed in classrooms where teachers and pupils spend the most time. The expectation that they would be mandated in corridors is fudged at the last minute to lockdown areas only.

1. Pupils are not allowed to be tested for the symptoms that kids are most likely to get.

1. Teachers (who in secondary will teach all bubbles without masks) are not to self isolate if there is a case in a class they have taught.

1. Fudge any data that may show teachers getting ill at a higher rate than the general population and Chris Whitty lying about it

1. Fudge data that may show school pupils having a higher infection rate than the general population

1. Not permitting / trying / mass testing in schools where there have been cases in case they find out how bad the spread is.

1. Actually sending letter to parents to tell them to stop getting kids tested.

9 Fine parents who try and keep their kids off when in contact with a known positive case.

10. Launch a propaganda campaign to convince parents that schools are safe using data from schools in lockdown, which every news outlet dutifully publicises. Continuing that propaganda campaign by releasing a video of socially distanced school kids wearing masks in classrooms.

11. Hide Gavin Williamson in a cupboard so that no journalist can accidentally ask him how his aim to reopen schools safely is going.

12. Announce that one of the school safety measures will be children in bubbles which will burst when there are cases. Stop this midway through September and start sending home as few kids as possible. Remove the schools remit from PHE control and put DfE in charge to enforce this.

13. Produce a Tiered system of responses to infection levels (rotas, masks, closures) to reassure parents, and shut the unions up. Then never mention them again and in fact state that they are not to be used.

14. When Hull begs for rotas due to imminent collapse of system, send a letter to all local authorities re-iterating NO ROTAS

15. Have some strange control over the media so they don’t mention any issues, or if they do, it must be accompanied by a picture of a jumbo classroom containing max 5 kids.

16. Tell teachers to ignore the app when it tells them to isolate, or to turn off the app completely

17. No funding for schools to implement any covid safety measures

Any other explanations for this list?

@ChloeDecker

I was about to jog on a few posts ago as I was getting pissed off. noble’s threads don’t turn into bunfights and regularly reach 1000 posts. The only posters who try to turn it into a bun fight (but rarely succeed because of the evidence and knowledge used to counteract that) are the ones who keep posting the same sentences over and over again and deflecting the replies given, without giving any evidence to back themselves up.

Because these threads reaching 1000 aren't the same sentences over and over by the same people just on a different day

What do they actually achieve in real life? Zilch!

I believe that if kids were really getting ill, as in seriously not just 1 day off with cold symptoms then parents wouldn't keep sending them in. This is my experience from March in London
@ChloeDecker why are you expecting me to answer for Hull. I don't live there or have any connection to it?

That may be the case but it doesn't detract from the point that these threads end up with just teachers posting.

Threads that run to 1000 posts generally end with a persistent few interested posters, not just mine.

My threads generally get to top in trending (click baiting the titles helps, some people don't seem to understand this...) so people are reading even if they aren't posting.

Which is fine however if it's parents you want to reach in order to challenge their MPs etc I'm not sure it's the best tactic.

Ok so where should noble post to reach parents if not on an extremely large parenting forum? What would be the best tactic? Are you wanting her to stop posting?

There are also at least two other threads of noble’s currently still running and they consist of not just teachers posting...

The original list was mine, so blame me not Noble.
Personally I am hoping this gets taken up by an investigative journalist or two. We know they keep an eye on MN

You’re doing a good job @noblegiraffe . I respect you for having the stamina to keep going against the tide of opposition and silencers.

Honestly, reading your threads has made me aware. I had no idea what the school situation was.

You are making a difference relentlessly posting on here. Thank you.

the need for teachers to speak as loudly as they can, when they need to. Nobody should deny anyone that, surely?

I certainly wouldn't deny them that but my point is how effective is it of it just teachers talking to other teachers? I presume teachers are already communicating with their MPs & unions, it's the wider population that needs to be reached surely?

I did in fact write to my MP about this 3 weeks ago
This week I received a generic reply saying why he supported and voted for lockdown. I don't think he even read my email because his reply certainly didn't relate to what I was sayiy

why are you expecting me to answer for Hull. I don't live there or have any connection to it?

I didn’t expect you to answer for Hull but you mentioned a tipping point was needed and I merely stated was that situation (which was in the national news so shouldn’t matter where you live) not a tipping point worthy of people to start taking note? No?

I could be wrong but I have never once read an article about a covid vaccine being developed for children or talk developing vaccines being used on children. My conclusion is the government is expecting children to develop their own immunity. I am guessing the government is thinking if the children developing immunity...and the vaccine coming in for over 50s and vunerable adults...most of population will have immunity by mid next year. Unfort this scenario throws the poor teachers and vulnerable parents under the bus. I get why people don’t want schools closed but there must be some room for blended learning with the high school kids. Even if it’s in grammar schools or upper sets of kids on comprehensives with kids who are more academically inclined so can be trusted to study from home for two days a week. Or for the less important year groups who aren’t doing their gcses like year 8s and year 9s.

I presume teachers are already communicating with their MPs & unions, it's the wider population that needs to be reached surely?

Ok but how, if not on a well known parenting public forum?

@pontypridd

You’re doing a good job *@noblegiraffe* . I respect you for having the stamina to keep going against the tide of opposition and silencers.

Honestly, reading your threads has made me aware. I had no idea what the school situation was.

You are making a difference relentlessly posting on here. Thank you.

Thanks, pontypridd, good to know I'm not just preaching to the converted!

I think it depends on the school you are in, we were in a tier 1 area pre lockdown but my ds secondary school still had staggered start times, separate areas for each year group, face masks worn in corridors (detention if not) and teachers assigned to the year group. They also send and entire class home if one positive case - and from experience if off with symptoms a negative test result must be shown before returning.
Also you can either lie and get a test regardless of symptoms or as a key worker your employer could request a test on your or a pupils behalf.

That may be the case but it doesn't detract from the point that these threads end up with just teachers posting. Which is fine however if it's parents you want to reach in order to challenge their MPs etc I'm not sure it's the best tactic.

So, having written to the local MP (which I do regularly and have never got back anything other than-‘schools are covid secure’ or ‘there has never been a better time to be in education’), and being involved in any union conversation, what better way to is there to raise awareness with parents, than on a huge parenting forum?

Because these threads reaching 1000 aren't the same sentences over and over by the same people just on a different day hmm

What do they actually achieve in real life? Zilch!

The threads get started when new data is released. If you read posts like the one shortly after yours, you will see it can make a difference.
I know you post a lot on these threads angry at teachers but your views are respected and you aren’t told not to post.

[quote LadyPenelope68]@noblegiraffe I’m a teacher and becoming more and more concerned for my welfare and the absolute lack of care this Government are showing towards education staff, it just makes no sense whatsoever. Why are we being treated so differently. I’m clinically vulnerable yet nothing is being done to make me safe, I need to leave but can’t for financial reasons, I’m totally stuck 😢😢[/quote]
This is so worrying.

Ok so where should noble post to reach parents if not on an extremely large parenting forum? What would be the best tactic? Are you wanting her to stop posting?

@noblegiraffe said things in schools were getting worse & ideally she wanted people to be contacting MPs. I presume this meant these threads were not working as intended.

Of course MNs is the best place for this threads I'm not disagreeing with that. It's the way these threads go that's the problem imo.
I'm not interested in arguing so I'm out.

Ok, so point 8 is a letter that has reminded parents only to get a test if their child has one of the three main symptoms, aka reminding them to stick to government guidance.
And the evidence for point 9 is a thread on Mumsnet.

I am a teacher, and I completely agree with you that schools aren't safe, of course they aren't. Everyone should know this, and if they don't then they're in denial. But acting like there's this major cover-up where schools are forcing parents to send in close contacts, told not to test their children as a rule - there isn't evidence to suggest this is happening and honestly it will just make people who already think teachers are being dramatic feel even more strongly about it.

That's not to say you shouldn't continue speaking out about it, I don't necessarily share your very strong feelings about it but I'm primary not secondary so I am in a different situation to you.

I presume this meant these threads were not working as intended.

Why are so many people intent on stopping me posting them then?

@Piggywaspushed

Why are they all called 'billie' or something with the number 20 on the end?

I always assumed with a previous prolific poster that it was a sectarian reference jupp

You may be on to something there.

@ChloeDecker

Because these threads reaching 1000 aren't the same sentences over and over by the same people just on a different day hmm

What do they actually achieve in real life? Zilch!

The threads get started when new data is released. If you read posts like the one shortly after yours, you will see it can make a difference.
I know you post a lot on these threads angry at teachers but your views are respected and you aren’t told not to post.

At what point have I been angry at teachers??

Ok, so point 8 is a letter that has reminded parents only to get a test if their child has one of the three main symptoms, aka reminding them to stick to government guidance.

See point 3. Sticking to government guidance is putting infected kids in schools to mingle freely.

And the evidence for point 9 is a thread on Mumsnet.

Point 9 wasn't mine, I did say that another poster might need to clarify, and they came on on to say that parents who chose to keep their children at home rather than being sent home to isolate were being recorded as unauthorised absence. This isn't unexpected as we know that ECV families have been strong-armed into sending their kids into unsafe schools.

But acting like there's this major cover-up

Did you read the Twitter thread about the ONS data? That's the clearest evidence yet that the government is covering up the real situation in schools.

@Balhammom

I think this thread reflects a fundamental ignorance as to what the UK, and other countries, are seeking to do.

It is not possible to eradicate covid through lockdowns alone. Therefore, the aim of the current measures is to limit its spread to levels that (i) do not lead to rapid exponential growth, and (ii) allow the health service to respond to positive cases requiring treatment... while still maintaining most of the economy and core services, including education.

On that basis, most of the scientists and clinicians I know agree with, or are at least comfortable with, the current measures.

This post is a load of hot air.

I write as a doctor practising for almost 30 years.

Have you heard of the WHO organisation? And its recommendations for schools? Which the government are mostly ignoring?

Have you heard of Independent SAGE?

Are you aware that the Government has ignored the advice of its own advisors(SAGE) on multiple occasions?

Who are these "clinicians" of whom you speak?

What is happening in schools is terrible and makes no medical sense in terms of infection control.

@noblegiraffe I want to thank you for your relentless drive to get the truth out there. I’m a teacher and I’ve had Covid, which I caught in school. Schools are not safe, and any attempts at a lockdown are pointless while schools are open.