Anyone know what people are actually being fined for?

[Lemons1571]

Are people really being fined for doing the school run along with an isolating child that doesn't leave the car? Or for doing an isolated countryside walk after being contacted by t&t? I just wondered how many of the £1,000 fines are actually being dished out in the real world. I’ve heard of fines being given for lift sharers to a place of work but don’t know any details. Are people being fined for pushing the boundaries or is it reserved for those who are blatantly breaking the law?

Why is someone doing the school run when they have a positive case in their home? That is blatantly breaking the law.
If someone has been told to stay at home why are they out?

Perhaps if people stayed home when ill things could be got under control a lot quicker,

2 parents at our school fined because their 15 year olds were picked up by the police whilst in a 14 day isolation period when one of their classmates tested positive for Covid. They were reported by someone who knew they shouldn't be hanging around the local shopping centre and were supposed to be in the house.

Blatant law breaking on their behalf.

If you google you’ll see a few examples

I don’t know what you mean by “blatantly breaking the law”.

Lots of face mask fines reported

The cup of tea incident

I think people are confused by the isolating child issue but as I understand it, it’s only if the child shows symptoms that others have to isolate. In theory, yes, the child shouldn’t be out, in practice how does anyone handle that?

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/what-rules-your-child-sent-18911202

How would that parent get those children to school if they were ill with anything?
How would a person get to work if there was no lift?

@canigooutyet

How would that parent get those children to school if they were ill with anything? How would a person get to work if there was no lift?

I think that’s missing the point.

If you were ill in other circumstances and your dc needed to get to school, you might well ask another household member or friend to do it.

It’s going to be hard to find people to do it now and it would break the household mixing law?

Re work, if you’d normally get the bus or taxi or whatever, what’s the difference with a lift share?

As many lawyers are saying, the law makes no sense whatsoever.

Apparently we have 44 children isolating for every one positive test!

@canigooutyet

How would that parent get those children to school if they were ill with anything? How would a person get to work if there was no lift?

Actually have I just responded to a troll?

It will be interesting to see how many of these larger fines are challenged in court. Many of them likely to reduced or thrown out.

There’s no way that fines of £70,000 like we’ve seen this last week are proportional to the “crime” committed.

I get that illegal party organisers might be fined £10,000 as that is blatant disregard of the law. But would a parent be fined for taking a child for an isolated country walk if child was isolating as a contact but no symptoms? Would a family be fined if the grandparents providing childcare enter their house and have a cuppa with the parents (this is not allowed as it is socialising and the grandparents are not providing childcare at the time)?

If you believe I am a troll report away.

How is it missing the point?
If the parent is taking the one out who should be at home then surely they should do what you suggested. There is a household bubble thing I believe for such circumstance.

If someone who is of working age should be at home, then why are they in that car with another person? The person who isn't ill should be looking at how they can get their arse in to work just as they would if the car wasn't available.

And at least this fine will go straight to court giving you the chance to state your case. Unlike other CV related fines

www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/police-covid-rule-breakers-super-fines-suspended-lockdown-b72499.html

Some people in our county have been fined multiple times according to our local paper, I doubt they have paid them and probably don’t have the means anyway or give a damn. I did read somewhere a while ago that about half of all the fines hadn’t been paid, something like 9000 unpaid

Iirc once issued with a covid related fine you either pay up or don't in the hopes it goes to court so it can be appealed against. Yes I know there's more involved but essentially this is what it is. Guilt until you get the chance to proof innocence unless you have a super fine,

@canigooutyet

If you believe I am a troll report away.

How is it missing the point?
If the parent is taking the one out who should be at home then surely they should do what you suggested. There is a household bubble thing I believe for such circumstance.

If someone who is of working age should be at home, then why are they in that car with another person? The person who isn't ill should be looking at how they can get their arse in to work just as they would if the car wasn't available.

The thing with the bubbles is that one household has to be a single person adult, I think a child is okay but not sure.

So in the midst of covid, you’re looking for a single adult to take your child to school.

If two people share a car, how it safer for anyone if they use public transport or a cab instead?

I think the vast majority of fines have been rejected. Maybe it’s unlucky if you get police who don’t understand the law - not that I blame them, no one understands it.

Support bubbles are for single parents and those who live alone.
The person who they get support from doesn't have to be from a single occupancy household.

Why aren't parents talking to each other to share drop off/picks up? When I have been bed ridden (sp) it was either that or they didn't go. When we first moved here, obviously know noone, called the school and something was organised.

If the worker is following the guidelines how is it safer for everyone they come into contact with after sitting in the car with someone who is isolating? If they are then issued with the fine, the whoever can somehow convince the court it was a contact isolation period only. Come to think of it so can the parent.

If the isolated person has symptoms, good hope they get the max fine tbh.

Gosh, this is hard work...

So support bubbles are for singles.

Ypu have a positive and symptomatic case in your home so you’re all meant to isolate.

So you need to find another single adult household willing and able to do the school run. That might be difficult, don’t you see?

Re the car, someone who is isolating wouldn’t be in a car with a colleague . I didn’t think the OP meant that, I thought she meant that sharing lifts to work could get you a fine if you are not a positive case. Perhaps OP can clarify - but the positive test person wouldn’t be going to work.

Yes support bubbles are for single adult occupency
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52637354

Yes if you have a positive in the house you should be staying in.
School children who have had close contact isolation aren't allowed out during their isolation period.

The op only says the child is isolating, nothing about symptoms.
If T&T have contacted and said isolate, that's what you are expected to do.

The lift sharers even the op doesn't know the details.

If people are ignoring T&T and still going out despite knowing they could now be at risk, then what is the point in T&T?

It's lucky the talk is only about a mega fine. There is some law in the UK that makes it illegal to deliberately infect another person (it has been applied in a few HIV/Aids cases).

Perhaps the thought of a 10,000 fine compared to a £60 one (and the various increases), plus facing direct court action might make some people think twice.

Shame we didn't have this in lockdown 1 for the infamous eye visit.

The link I gave earlier said school children who have close contact but no symptoms can still go to school.

I don’t know which is correct.

You seem like you’re hungry for bigger fines but have no solutions to help people in a jam.