Christmas needs to be cancelled.

[AlternativePerspective]

So the suggestion to make it possible for the world to go and be super spreaders at Christmas is to stay in lockdown until Christmas, then open up for five days, then go back into lockdown for another 25 days (at least), five days for every day we’re out of lockdown.

Are people really that desperate to have a get together they could have at any other time of the year, maybe in the summer when this pandemic is under control, that they’re willing to spend months in lockdown to achieve it? Really?

My personal opinion is that it is our duty as a society to have a low key Christmas regardless of whether they take this ridiculous measure or not.

I understand that for some they want to see family at Christmas, but these ridiculous suggestions have gone too far.

Just cancel Christmas and give us an extra bank holiday next year to make up for it.

[TaraRhu]

@GooseWhiskers you are not the only one whose mental health has suffered! Everyone finds it difficult. Why on earth would you have to tell your dm face to face that you are pregnant? What difference does that make? You say that you don't want locked up all of January but that's EXACTLY what will happen if people are intent on meeting up as normal over Xmas.

[Lweji]

I understand the logistics due to my job. I still think there is a good chance my parents will be vaccinated in the first quarter of next year, particularly as they are over 80.

I would agree, but I would bet towards the end of the quarter, rather than the start.
Certainly not until the end of the year.

[Sarah24680]

I doubt Boris will be able to resist the accolade of opening for Christmas. Politicians have self interest at heart overall.

[RuthW]

I haven't been in my parents' house since march. No way are they eating Christmas dinner alone in what is highly likely to be either of thems last Christmas.

Having said that it will be socially distanced.

I'm happy to lock down for a couple of months afterwards

[windturbines]

You're being goady and dramatic, and you know it.

Christmas doesn't need to be cancelled. A smaller affair, yes. But cancelling it? So, in your mind, Christmas is only Christmas if people can go out drinking for weeks before it and have a big 10 plus people party?

Of course not. People should, of course, try to stay with their immediate family. If they're seeing someone vulnerable, they should try to isolate beforehand. Any other visits should ideally be outside and at a distance.

But for the sake of some of our, especially elderly, population, who may be lonely, it should not be cancelled. People deserve to spend Christmas with some family and be visited. It might be different than usual years, but it still needs to happen. For a lot of people, it might be their last Christmas and their only thing to look forward to. Cancelling it is short sighted and overly simplistic.

[LEELULUMPKIN]

I won't be breaking the rules as we have a low key Christmas anyway. No visiting or hosting, our idea of hell.

Christmas cannot be "cancelled" though, that's just a stupid suggestion OP.

I will be too busy with my DH and Son to give a toss what the rest of the world is doing.

[Sleazeyjet]

My dad is terminally ill. This will be his last.

We are moving mountains to get people home and quarantined so they can see him.

Will I fuck cancel Christmas.

[GetOffYourHighHorse]

Isn't it ironic that some of the replies telling people to fuck off or piss off if anyone disagrees are the ones adamant they'll do what they like. Not much peace or goodwill from the selfish flouters is there.

[Sitdowncupoftea]

Christmas is the same day every year and to most people the real meaning has gone. To many its a festival of greed and gluttony. I personally think it should be kept to your own family bubble. Hospital treatments were cancelled in March the backlock is huge and will be ongoing and get worse if there's another spike. If lockdown is lifted many lives will be lost and there will be another spike.

[Sleazeyjet]

getoff I am not flouting any rules. We are getting people home and they will quarantine for 14 days.

But I’ll get them home and give him and them a last chance to see each other.

People are taking unpaid leave to do this. And there are some family members who can’t get home to see him. Because they work in a hospital.

How am I being selfish please?

[Bathroom12345]

I think some people are of the view that Boris will not stop them having Xmas with whomever they like and they will show em!

Well, have whomever you like round, spread the virus to your elderly relatives. Low key and certainly for terminally ill people but honestly - so many people claim to have MH issues now. I have totally fed up and depressed about all of this but getting my own back against the government does NOT involve inviting my late 80's parents and others around to get my own back!

Drunk young people spilling onto the pavements. Massive house parties definitely not but some people will do all of this not realising that what they are doing is putting their elderlies in great danger.

[LEELULUMPKIN]

I just wanted to say to all of those who are facing their last Christmas with their loved ones that I hope you have a very special time.

I lost both of my parents around Christmas time and some of the happiest and most precious memories I have of them are that last Christmas.

Sending very unmumsnetty hugs to you all.

[LilyMumsnet]

Hi folks

Can we have a bit of peace and love, please?

[JoeCalFuckingZaghe]

My dad was diagnosed with cancer this year. I’ve seen him once, outdoors for 4 hrs since the summer. I’ve not set foot in a restaurant, pub, visitor attraction or barely even a shop since the start of the year. All I want to do in the world is give him a fucking hug and see him in a shite Christmas jumper and a cracker hat. So forgive me if I say fuck off. I’m not the problem here, and if people hadn’t been so fucking selfish in the first place meeting massive groups of friends, not social distancing etc we wouldn’t be here.

[Neron]

@whatswithtodaytoday vulnerable people have the flu vaccine, yet thousands every year still die with it. There is also a massive difference between people dying FROM c19, than WITH it.

This vaccine will not be the miracle that people think it will be. It won't be open to all and sundry. The UK will not return to life as we knew it.

The NHS is on it's knees for a magnitude of reasons. No one gave a toss then, using and abusing the system. No party wants to fund the NHS or the police. If there was a party doing that, and the public cares so much about the NHS - they they would be in power already.

[MrsMiaWallis]

@LilyMumsnet

Hi folks

Can we have a bit of peace and love, please?

This is mumsnet

[GetOffYourHighHorse]

'But I’ll get them home and give him and them a last chance to see each other.'

If you read the thread you'll see from the start those who are terminally ill or in support bubbles should of course be exceptions. The selfish flouter comment is aimed at people who will just carry on as normal, have their usual Christmas with extended relatives around including vulnerable people. They'd probably be the first to blame the Government in January when hospital admissions and deaths soar again.

[Sleazeyjet]

My dad has cancer.

If he’s here next year I’ll eat my hat.

People here - family members- are going to move out and live with arelative they’re bubbled with so there is an empty property for the unclean quarantiners to come to it’ll be cleaned to within an inch of its life before they arrive.

There will be shopping left for the quarantine period, and if more is needed it will be delivered.

The people are travelling in the same car. One driving and one in the back. Masked.

How in the fuck am I selfish?

Travelling to someone terminally ill is an allowed exception

[stayathomer]

A lockdown only works if people adhere to it. If they spoke common sense and said if you need to mix, mix, but preferably don't, people might actually consider what they have to and dont have to do. Personally am very torn, mum is vulnerable and I've seen her once since march, I have no idea if I'll call to the gate over Christmas.

[Lweji]

We are getting people home and they will quarantine for 14 days.

I hope before meeting. Because that's how you can keep your relatives safe.

[Sleazeyjet]

I did read the fucking thread. And I read the op. And they don’t mention any kind of exception for the terminally ill.

I can’t even know if he will be here by Christmas - he has fucking bastard COVID already and he’s lying in the hospital and we can’t visit him.

Away on wi calling me selfish and suggesting he should die without having seen his family.

[Sleazeyjet]

@Lweji

We are getting people home and they will quarantine for 14 days.

I hope before meeting. Because that's how you can keep your relatives safe.

Yes. They are quarantining already and coming home on day 15. One is driving to collect the other and they will travel home together in the same car.

They will quarantine in an empty property which I and another family member will clean even more tomorrow.

They arrive tomorrow night.

[Neron]

so many people claim to have MH issues now

That's because they probably do. People struggling to live on reduced wages, and for a lot of people, having zero income. How about those who have lost their livelihoods, their businesses, their homes? How about those that have been lost to suicide? Do you know what it's like to continue living, when a loved one has taken their life, what it does to you?
There is more going on than c19. The economy is ruined, people are distraught. People have been caught out when they previously were doing OK. Of course there's a rise in MH.

[Sleazeyjet]

They are day 14 today. They travel home tomorrow.

[3littlewords]

I'm sure every single person insisting on a Christmas family get together will all be quarantining from the 11th Dec , all of them will be wfh or on annual leave, no one will be doing a supermarket shop or going out for excerise at all. Yes that will definitely be happening 100%.