Do you really keep DC indoors for 14 days?

[notevenat20]

DS's school year has been sent home for 14 days because someone in his year has covid. I know we are supposed to keep him indoors the whole time. But what have people really done in practice? It's a very long time not to walk further than the bathroom.

Piers probably meant 1 million worldwide.

Yes the figure is 1.1 million worldwide not in Britain!

17 million people die every year from heart disease, 9.6 million people die from cancer and 2.5 million from other respiratory diseases
Including pneumonia.

200 people per month are killed in motor accidents . Regrettably a disproportionate number are young drivers under 25 due to lack of driving experience.

In the first four weeks of the first lockdown - more young people were saved from death in motor accidents as they were not driving to anything like the same extent as died from Covid 19.

This applies to those without underlying health issues.

Another study showed that under 65 year old without underlying health issues who drove more than 140 miles a day prior to lockdown stood a greater chance of dying in a road accident than dying from Covid 19

And the main difference is we know those 1 million people died in and due to injuries in the war. These 1 million people died in 2020 within a timeframe following positive COVID test. Just in case it needs spelled out for anyone the first one was directly attributable, the second one we will probably never know.

@walfordwatcher I'm genuinely very sorry to hear of your situation. I can imagine how difficult it is - but as we are on an open thread I would honestly question the impact of this on your teenagers and whether on balance it is fair on them and their health needs

Wondergirl100 Thanks for your nice words. Is it fair on them? Um. No, it's not fair, just that it is not fair on any of us. All the foster children have been with us for many years and so are part of the family. All have had horrific pasts and so we try to be ultra sensitive to their needs. They have all lost at least one family and so the prospect of losing another is more of a reality to them than to other people. They have always known they have a choice and if they feel they wish to return to school/college or go out in the world again, then something would be arranged. Also of course if any of the professionals detected the start of any mental or emotional health issues with them action would be taken, but at the moment they seem to thrive. My husband and I have spent 30 years caring for children with very complex needs including two of our own adult children who still need our care. So I hope we and the professionals would know if things were not right. And my married adult children would certainly say something!!

CHildren and teenagers are not personally at risk of suffering severe symptoms (for children it is less serious than flu) - so they are all making enormous changes and taking a hit for him

They are and I can't put into words how grateful and proud I am of them. It somehow just seems to be working for them all. It might not continue that way, who can tell, but so far so good. And I believe we would know if it were becoming too much or if issues were arising and I equally believe they would be honest enough to talk to us, or the professionals, if that were the case. These are young people that have suffered so very much in their lives, been let down by ALL the adults who were supposed to care for them. This time I feel has actually allowed them to heal. It is actually my husband himself who is finding it the hardest.

I might be proved wrong in the years to come, but like all parents I am merely doing the best I can.

I hope your husband gets the vaccine as soon as possible
Thank you, but that opens another huge set of issues for me!!! LOL I wish your family well too.

tryinghardnottocry

The key thing for you to look at is "excess deaths". You will see that there have been tens of thousands of excess deaths this year. There is no way to get round this.

I didn’t bring up the war analogy. Of course it’s ridiculous and inappropriate. But it was claimed that as many British people died in WWI and WWII as did of COVID-19 in Britain this year. That’s simply not true.

So moving on...

We managed with a 3 year old for 2.5 months, 14 days should fly by! Lots of tv, den building and drawing got us through

@Beachhappy

We are on a second lockdown as people fail to do their bit.

You’ll be moaning when Christmas is cancelled.

Piers on GMB, more people have died in our country due to Covid this year, more than all those a souls lost in the 1st and second world wars.

Just.stay.in

Rubbish, Great Britain lost nearly a million people in WW1, that's soldiers & civilians.

This thread is moving so fast as by the time I'd written my post other pps have said the same.

I can't believe so many people are willing to break the law on isolating or put others at risk.

dd is starting her 14 days and will stay inside, unless we need to go for a test.

ds has already done 14 days, stayed inside.

we did 14 days together at the start of lockdown not going out as well. and several stints of a few days waiting for negative tests, all in a small flat with no garden and only three rooms other than bathroom and kitchen.
we live in a flat and do not have a garden. both have autism. Other people have stayed in for 14 weeks and not gone out.

I sometimes wonder how any of us would have survived WWII, with holing up in basements, blackout curtains, constant bombing (not here, but it is almost a shame...we'd be far less sanguine now, had we had to deal with those things, and heard about them from parents/grandparents).

I also wonder how we would respond differently had this been something like smallpox, with its horribly disfiguring rash? Would we even question isolating? At all?

@Wally1983

Forgot to also say, we are part of a covid study so we do know we are clear of covid but rules state my son has to isolate so he is. I don’t understand why that is so difficult to stick too? I also have 1yr old who doesn’t normally stay indoors every day but he’s managing just fine too!

Why are you isolating when you know you don't have covid? That's absolutely bizarre...

Why do other non-communicable diseases always come up as comparisons? It has no relevance. If I have cancer and hug/kiss every person who I see on the street nothing will happen to them! (I'll be probably smacked early on)

Do people really hate their families to the point that they cannot be together for 2 weeks? That is saddening more than anything.

From another perspective: why moan about 2 weeks when you live 80-90 years and this is only 2 weeks? And at home. With food, heating, roof. Nobody is shooting at you. Really that hard?

My 12 year old has had to do it for 14 days. He’s been bored but still managed to do it.

We have got no chance of managing this pandemic if this question needs asking.
How hard can it be to understand?
"I S O L A T I N G".
Do you have to stay in when you are isolating ?
Yes! That's why it's called isolating.
There are no "quiet places" or "quiet times".
By going out with your POTENTIALLY INFECTIOUS children you are putting at risk people who are following the rules and giving them no choice in the matter.
The postman, council workers, the elderly neighbours walking their dogs "at a quiet time" because they are at risk.
Many clinically vulnerable people have been nowhere since this began, the least you can do is to stay home at the very least WHEN YOU ARE TOLD YOU MIGHT BE INFECTIOUS.
I despair... logging off.

I honestly fucking despair at this thread.
It's no wonder the UK has the worst death toll in Europe. People are just so arrogant, selfish and weak.

Agree burgerbob. Entitled feckers everywhere.

@AltJ

Name changed for this as I'm going to get a roasting

DD isolating for 14 days as one of the children in her year but not in her class (90 children/year) had covid.

We went out a couple of times, includng to the local park and playground..

In my defense:
1.We've already had Covid (confirmed by test)

1. We have a small garden and DD and DS were getting very stressed not being able to go out
2. Personally I don't feel the risk was that high as the child was in a different class

You should be ashamed of yourself for taking an isolating child to the playground.

We kept ours indoors. It's 2 weeks, not 2 years.

AltJ:

You do realize that immunity only lasts a few weeks to months? SEVERAL people world-wide are confirmed to have had COVID-19 twice now, and who knows how many others have had it, been asymptomatic, and spread it to others. "We've already had it" is not excuse not to be careful.

"Both of my children are autistic amongst having other conditions and disabilities, not a chance we can do 14 whole days in the house. The self harm, violence towards myself and DH and destruction in the house means it’s impossible."

The exceptions allow for this. No one is or should be expected to stay indoors if there is risk of harm.

The guidance is for the person isolating not to leave the house so we're going to follow that. I was shielding for 5 months, two weeks is easy.

No one is or should be expected to stay indoors if there is risk of harm.

That could be applied to all, it’s physically harmful to stay home inside for 2 weeks numerous times for months and months to come.

It's 2 weeks, not 2 years

Yes but it could be 2 weeks every month for the next year... adds up

Service personnel.