Do you really keep DC indoors for 14 days?

[notevenat20]

DS's school year has been sent home for 14 days because someone in his year has covid. I know we are supposed to keep him indoors the whole time. But what have people really done in practice? It's a very long time not to walk further than the bathroom.

@OverTheRainbow88

I think I would take mine out for an early morning cycle where I know there won’t be anyone about.

Staying home for 14 days is more detrimental to their health than covid. Especially if this keeps happening.

Totally agree with this.

@midnightstar66

Ok perhaps 'like' was the wrong word. You will only follow the rules you agree with or the rules you want to. Lots of the rules seem ridiculous but you can't claim to be following them if you pick and choose.

I'm not picking and choosing. I'm simply stating, in relation to forcing a child to stay inside a house for two weeks, that I think it's wrong and, if sensible precautions are applied in open spaces for short periods of time, completely unnecessary.

There is no critical thinking here.

I’ve asked time and time again if we think that the virus spreads by walking in an empty field or going for a bike ride. Apparently as adults we can’t possibly keep our children away from other people! They just ‘bump’ into people all the time!

The ‘rule’ has no scientific backing and people are using common sense. Good. Poor kids in for week after week. We have a massive obesity problem which will last a lot longer than COVID.

Round here you see school age kids at the shops with their parents in the day. No one bats an eye. Half of ds1's year is "isolating" but we saw his friend in the park, we just stayed away from them, they were on their own, not in a play area so not a problem.

We kept ours off from any activity when asked to isolate and I don't really take them to the shops any way but I'm sure we went to the park or on a bike ride at some point. As long as you aren't mixing its not an issue.

The entitlement on this thread is beyond shocking.

Those of you who are letting your self isolating DC walk round the block, you are happy for them to be passing close to someone with, for example, leukaemia, when they may be infectious, yes?

As for a PP letting their child go to a supermarket, I have no words.

Round here you see school age kids at the shops with their parents in the day

Maybe they're home educated. We have a huge community of home educated kids where I am.

I assume all these "I'll just pop out for a quick walk/cycle ride" people are aware that self isolation is actually not just a "rule" - it's the law and you can be fined for not self isolating.

Here are the government guidelines for self isolating:

"Stay at home for 14 days. This is because you may have been exposed to the virus and could pass it on to others, even if you don’t have symptoms. Do not leave your home unless in certain circumstances, and only exercise within your home, garden or private outdoor space."

I'm just pointing out that when the rules are..
Do not go to work, school, or public areas, and do not use public transport or taxis.
Do not go outside even to buy food or other essentials, and any exercise must be taken within your home
..with exemptions for those with
significant conditions such as learning disabilities, autism or serious mental illness.
saying you follow the rules, including ones you don't agree with, is inaccurate!
Pedantic, yes....pointlessly so, no, I don't think so, because I think the self isolation rules serve a purpose - I don't think they are perfect, but I understand why they are in place.

In 2 posts, because I think people should follow the rules and self isolate after contact....I've been called -
sanctimonious and pointlessly pedantic
and akin to a Nazi -
Someone mentioned Jews hiding from Nazi's earlier in the thread. Are you the sort of person who would have reported them as it was 'the rules'?

I'm not sure I have any response to this except a slightly stunned expression of bewilderment (and dismay at the Nazi comparison...that, quite frankly, is an appalling thing to say)

@Delatron

There is no critical thinking here.

I’ve asked time and time again if we think that the virus spreads by walking in an empty field or going for a bike ride. Apparently as adults we can’t possibly keep our children away from other people! They just ‘bump’ into people all the time!

The ‘rule’ has no scientific backing and people are using common sense. Good. Poor kids in for week after week. We have a massive obesity problem which will last a lot longer than COVID.

There will be some people who go and walk in quiet fields but everyone who is going for a quiet walk won't be going somewhere deserted, won't bump in to Elsie and her mum who should also be isolating etc. Some people on the thread have said they've been to the shops and the park etc.

They can't give people leeway or too many will have a reason why they're special and must go out. That's why it's a blanket rule that no one should be going out when isolating.

@HazeyJaneII

I'm just pointing out that when the rules are.. Do not go to work, school, or public areas, and do not use public transport or taxis. Do not go outside even to buy food or other essentials, and any exercise must be taken within your home ..with exemptions for those with significant conditions such as learning disabilities, autism or serious mental illness. saying you follow the rules, including ones you don't agree with, is inaccurate! Pedantic, yes....pointlessly so, no, I don't think so, because I think the self isolation rules serve a purpose - I don't think they are perfect, but I understand why they are in place.

In 2 posts, because I think people should follow the rules and self isolate after contact....I've been called -
sanctimonious and pointlessly pedantic
and akin to a Nazi -
Someone mentioned Jews hiding from Nazi's earlier in the thread. Are you the sort of person who would have reported them as it was 'the rules'?

I'm not sure I have any response to this except a slightly stunned expression of bewilderment (and dismay at the Nazi comparison...that, quite frankly, is an appalling thing to say)

Well should you always follow the rules, or not?

The 'rule' that a child has to stay confined in their own home because a child in a different class got Covid, when they have already had covid, is clearly utterly ridiculous. I should blindly follow it because Boris Johnson said so?

@HazeyJaneII

I'm just pointing out that when the rules are.. Do not go to work, school, or public areas, and do not use public transport or taxis. Do not go outside even to buy food or other essentials, and any exercise must be taken within your home ..with exemptions for those with significant conditions such as learning disabilities, autism or serious mental illness. saying you follow the rules, including ones you don't agree with, is inaccurate! Pedantic, yes....pointlessly so, no, I don't think so, because I think the self isolation rules serve a purpose - I don't think they are perfect, but I understand why they are in place.

In 2 posts, because I think people should follow the rules and self isolate after contact....I've been called -
sanctimonious and pointlessly pedantic
and akin to a Nazi -
Someone mentioned Jews hiding from Nazi's earlier in the thread. Are you the sort of person who would have reported them as it was 'the rules'?

I'm not sure I have any response to this except a slightly stunned expression of bewilderment (and dismay at the Nazi comparison...that, quite frankly, is an appalling thing to say)

Also it wasn't Nazi's that reported Jews. It was ordinary people, following the rules.

Just like it was ordinary people following the rules who refused to allow black people to use the same water fountain as them in America, etc

I do think a walk round the block isolating from others would be fine, fresh air and exercise is beneficial and good for the lungs.

Oof.
I have been nothing but calm and polite on this thread, I'm not entirely sure what I have done or said that deserved a poster comparing me to German's who reported Jews to the Nazis, or like racists who didn't take a stand against the segregation laws in America...
I'm genuinely flabbergasted.
Anyway, being compared to such before I've even finished my morning coffee is quite something.

You've still not answered the question @HazeyJanell, despite coming on clutching your chest saying you have been mortally wounded.

Should you always follow the rules, even if they are stupid, immoral or dangerous?

Because if not, why are you on here insisting everyone follows the rules that are clearly ridiculous?

Well where do you want to take him if the garden is too small? A very early morning walk before others are out on the school run sounds fair enough. Taking him to a park or playground or off to the shops no.

@MoirasRoses someone did say they would their child shopping.
Someone also said
Absolutely not, we’re on day 3 and have no intention of isolating at all, still working, shopping and seeing family
This is the reason why the rules are there and people still won't stick to them.
Re the ecv I am pretty amazed actually that anyone would try and justify them staying home until a vaccine because their child couldn't possibly stay home for periods of two weeks at a time. Not all ECV are 80 year old pensioners who have a support network. My dh is ECV. He has shielded as much as possible but our children must go to school or be fined. Many are the ones actually teaching your children or do other keywords roles.

Other children are ECV themselves. Maybe they might want to go out for a quick scoot at a quiet time which is allowed and not expect to accidently bump into a child who has been exposed to the virus who is bored of being at home for a few days.

@OverTheRainbow88

Do you all realise that secondary schools teachers are being told not to self isolate when the bubbles they teach burst?

I’ve taught 16 kids the last week who have positive covid Results and according to the DfE I don’t need to self isolate....!

Yet people will continue to follow rules unquestioningly because, for some reason, they believe the government has theirs and everybody else's best interests at heart. It's silly and sad.

Ok.
You are a random on the internet, AltJ...believe me I'm not 'mortally wounded'
I think this government has got huge amounts wrong, I think they acted too late, with dishonesty and poor management.
I think most of the rules put in place by Public Health England with regards to self isolation are there to curtail the spread of the virus as much as possible, and are proportionate, so we have followed them.
I don't think going out to the playground for example is a good idea when self isolating.
Earlier in the thread you said, Also we are in a full national lockdown. Vulnerable and elderly people shouldn't be out interacting with random children. The elderly and vulnerable should shield themselves and children's education and wellbeing should be a priority.
I personally do not agree with this, I asked what you thought someone like my ds should do then....10 years old, at home as shielding, but able to go out for walks avoiding shops.
You didn't answer, and now I'm quite glad, because in all honesty I think you are on a massive wind up, which is fine, everyone needs a hobby!

House and garden only, it's actually the law so yes you have to. Very hard for those in flats. If you have a garden however small, put on wellies and go out there

Yet people will continue to follow rules unquestioningly because, for some reason, they believe the government has theirs and everybody else's best interests at heart. It's silly and sad.

You’d think they’d have learnt by now.

By the way there is 25 cases in my town, 15 are at the high school, 6 are siblings from students at the high school - kids are the catalyst so self isolating needs to be taken seriously.

@movingonup20

By the way there is 25 cases in my town, 15 are at the high school, 6 are siblings from students at the high school - kids are the catalyst so self isolating needs to be taken seriously.

That’s odd. So 15 children in one school had symptoms and tested positive 6 siblings also had symptoms and tested positive

So only 4 others cases across the entire town.

I find that very positive that that high concentration in one school and it hasn’t spread much wider!

it's actually the law so yes you have to

Might be the law where you are, its not for all of us.

@nether

This thread is so dispiriting.

CEV DC stayed at home for 14+ weeks - yes to protect themselves, but also to protect the NHS (the non-elderly CEV would be treated, and would fill the hospitals)

Right now, they don't have to go back indoors. But if people won't isolate properly, then they may have to. And restrictions over the winter will be harder and longer for everyone, if SI cannot be relied on.

14 days really isn't that long

Same. I have a CEV child. I’m also CEV. Genetic illness.

It’s so figewrtenint to hear all these people who flout the rules

My friends father in law is in an induced coma. Due to corona. He’s super healthy. It’s killing healthy individuals. We’ve already been told I wouldn’t survive it. My kids woos grow up without a mummy. When they so desperately need one. Like any young child.

The entitlement on this thread is beyond shocking. Those of you who are letting your self isolating DC walk round the block, you are happy for them to be passing close to someone with, for example, leukaemia, when they may be infectious, yes? As for a PP letting their child go to a supermarket, I have no words.

I am really staggered by this thread. It is shocking to me too. As I have said before (many times) we have isolated as a family since March. I could never have imagined we could do this, but we have had to, and so we have made it work. We have also had no financial help or support. We have had to do this to protect my shielding CEV husband and all of us, three teenage foster kids included, have understood, and been home schooled by us. The reason we have had to go to these lengths to protect ourselves, and hence my husband, from others who (as proved by this thread) find it difficult or inconvenient to stay home, or simply don't like being told what to do, and could potentially be infectious. Of course I cannot tell people what to do, and everyone's situation is different. I am doing what is right for my family, so it is only right that other people have the same freedoms, but for those people who do not comply on with the rules on principle I do find it hard to understand. But then equally others do not understand why we have all stayed home for so long. Others say I have created mental health issues for the children that could last a lifetime. Others view me as a prison warden. As a foster carer that is difficult to hear. Time will of course tell. But we are trying to save my husband's life. But while others continue to bend and break the rules for the sake of their families, it means I have to knuckle down and continue to isolate for the sake of mine.