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Schools staying open during lockdown

232 replies

JulieGS · 03/11/2020 10:23

Is anyone else worried about sending our children to school during lockdown?

The NEU has launched a petition calling for schools to be closed - you can find it here:

actionnetwork.org/forms/close-schools-and-colleges-now

OP posts:
monkeytennis97 · 04/11/2020 21:13

@TrustTheGeneGenie I said 'we' not 'me'... but if the shoe fits... (not reading correctly).

Gah I can't take this shit tonight. I'll be back at school tomorrow despite being told today my DC's care home has gone into lockdown so God knows when I'll see my disabled child again. Yes I know that's not relevant but hey I don't care.

monkeytennis97 · 04/11/2020 21:14

@Barbie222

I think a lot of the anger here is because many people can see the writing on the wall and they can smell the bullshit behind Boris's fervent "schools will stay open", but the anger, although understandable, is misplaced.

If your school closes because there aren't enough staff well, it really doesn't matter what you think about it all, or what your opinion is of teachers, does it. If enough schools close you'll be queuing up for access to school the way Whitty hinted we might be queuing up to use the NHS, if nobody wants to pay any more to staff the shop floor.

This could all have been avoided if we had had more money, space and time available from September - literally anything would have helped, but no one apart from the people at the chalk face seemed to get it.

100% this.
Frostedlantern · 04/11/2020 21:15

If unions want money for schools then they should start a petition for more money for schools, not to close them.

starrynight19 · 04/11/2020 21:18

If unions want money for schools then they should start a petition for more money for schools, not to close them.

Agreed as that’s what every teacher on here wants. Support to keep schools open as most of us have dc and we want them in school also.

starrynight19 · 04/11/2020 21:19

Barbie222 👏👏

echt · 04/11/2020 21:21

If unions want money for schools then they should start a petition for more money for schools, not to close them

There you go: Hmm

neu.org.uk/campaigns/funding

www.unison.org.uk/our-campaigns/speak-up-for-schools/

www.specialneedsjungle.com/send-emergency-snj-joins-the-campaign-of-the-uks-biggest-teaching-union-to-fight-the-cuts/

MadameTuffington · 04/11/2020 21:21

#KeepSchoolsOpen except for clinically vulnerable staff, students or students shielding a family member. It is vitally important that kids experience face-to-face learning and benefit from the discipline, continuity and social environment provided by an open school.

Shutting down of schools will lead to A LOT of strife.

monkeytennis97 · 04/11/2020 21:25

@echt 👋👋

noblegiraffe · 04/11/2020 21:35

My union’s statement (the NASUWT, second biggest teaching union), that appears to be ignored by those slating the ‘teaching unions’:

“ With levels of virus transmission increasing exponentially, the failure to deal with the threat of the virus has, once again, been fatally exposed.

“The second wave of this pandemic is putting even more lives at risk, and it has been clear for some weeks that coordinated and urgent national action would need to be taken to tackle a crisis that is now enveloping the entire country.

“Many will recognise that the Government’s failure to heed the warnings from leading scientists by reopening schools fully in September may have contributed to the increased spread of Covid-19 transmission and rising death rates over recent weeks.

“There is widespread evidence of rising Covid-19 transmissions within schools and that opening schools fully has acted as a vector for Coronavirus transmission in the wider community. It is vital that the Government recognises that schools and colleges must be part of a national strategy to tackle the continuing spread of the virus.

“The publication of advice by the Government has not been sufficient to prevent the spread of the virus in primary, secondary and special schools or in colleges.

“Determined and radical national action and additional measures are now needed across all schools and colleges.

“The Government’s view that it remains the case that schools should remain open fully will no doubt be viewed with concern by many parents and those working in schools, especially if the Government does not come forward in the coming days with additional Covid-safety measures for schools.

“In light of the mounting evidence, it is critical that, where there is an outbreak of Covid-19 transmission in a school, employers and public health bodies act swiftly and without hesitation to protect public health by sending pupils and staff home.

“Protecting the vulnerable also needs to be a priority. However, there remain serious concerns about the risks to teachers who are vulnerable to Covid-19 transmission, including teachers who are pregnant, or clinically extremely vulnerable, or who have underlying conditions or who are from higher risk groups such as BAME teachers.

“The Government will need to do more in the coming days to ensure that the most vulnerable are protected at this critical time. Ministers have said that people should work from home where possible and that those who have underlying health conditions or who are most at risk from the Coronavirus should stay at home. The same protections now need to be introduced urgently for those working in schools and colleges as apply to workers in other sectors.

“The Government has recklessly given up on the idea that social distancing can be maintained in schools, despite the evidence that this is the best protection against the spread of the Coronavirus. The Government needs to accept that ensuring smaller classes in schools must also be considered an essential element in the country’s strategy to get control of this worsening situation.

“The Government needs to be clear with the public about the evidence upon which it is relying to insist that keeping schools open fully will not impact adversely on children, their families, those working in schools or undermine the impact of the latest national lockdown measures in bringing down rates of Coronavirus transmission.

“In the event that more children or staff will need to be at home, the Government must also pull out all the stops to ensure that all children have effective access to remote education. So far, the Government has failed to deliver on its promises of laptops for children, which is seriously hampering the efforts that are being made by schools to support vulnerable and disadvantaged children during this crisis. An urgent national plan for remote education is needed which must be backed up by substantially additional resources for schools.

“Schools will also need urgent additional support if they are to get through to Christmas and remain safe to staff and pupils, including extra funding for cleaning, PPE and for additional supply staff to cover where other teachers are absent .””

Barbie222 · 04/11/2020 21:36

If unions want money for schools then they should start a petition for more money for schools, not to close them

*cough cough
#thatsmainlywhattheydodear

MadameTuffington · 04/11/2020 21:39

@LastGoldenDaysOfSummer

If you want the schools to stay open lobby for better protection for those who work in them and for the children.
Visors for all school staff, temperature testing for kids before each lesson (very quick and easy) and clinically vulnerable staff furloughed - I’d like to see all of this in schools.

I work in Care, I have tested positive for Covid twice. We lost 30 residents in March/April and 70% of our workforce got sick.

Throughout this pandemic, keyworkers in challenging pubic facing roles have ‘got on with it’ - Police officers, NHS staff, prison officers, supermarket workers and teachers.

It is not unreasonable to expect schools to stay open - it should be our no. 1 priority to provide all kids with the continuity, socialisation, discipline and learning that an open school provides. I live on a council estate and more school closures will hugely f**k up the chances and lives of many kids around here - my own daughter has had 100% attendance last term - she was ecstatic to be back in the classroom after a 5-month break.

#KeepSchoolsOpen

Teachers are not a special breed - they do a demanding and highly valued job - like many others.

starrynight19 · 04/11/2020 21:49

It is not unreasonable to expect schools to stay open - it should be our no. 1 priority to provide all kids with the continuity, socialisation, discipline and learning that an open school provides. I live on a council estate and more school closures will hugely fk up the chances and lives of many kids around here - my own daughter has had 100% attendance last term - she was ecstatic to be back in the classroom after a 5-month break.

My daughter had lass than 50% as she has had to isolate for three times due to the lack of measures in school to make them as safe as possible.
I agree schools should stay open, and it makes me so mad that my daughter has missed so much more of her education this term when had she returned with all those mitigations in place teachers asked for in September she might have been lucky enough to have a 100% attendance to.

echt · 05/11/2020 01:08

Teachers are not a special breed - they do a demanding and highly valued job - like many others

Teachers have not said they are special. Ever.

It's the government who says they are; so special that unlike other jobs, they are discouraged from wearing masks.
They are so special that in the cleaning and provision of, for instance hand sanitiser, schools have to raid diminished budgets:

www.standard.co.uk/news/education/schools-funding-coronavirus-measures-a4543396.html

They are so special that the government has reneged on the provision of laptops to enable teachers to do their jobs effectively should lockdown come again:

www.theguardian.com/education/2020/oct/24/englands-schools-to-receive-fewer-laptops-for-distance-learning

Anon778833 · 05/11/2020 06:34

Teachers should not be wearing masks. My daughter is autistic, she wouldn’t be able to hear a thing that was said in the lesson. I can’t hear what people say with the masks on either.

echt · 05/11/2020 06:56

SugarbabyMilly

Have you asked the school what mitigations will be put in place for your daughter?

OpheliasCrayon · 05/11/2020 07:18

@Waxonwaxoff0

My teacher friend has resigned his membership from the union. He teaches in deprived inner London and said trying to do online schooling with deprived children was impossible.
I feel tempted to do the same. I'm so angry. I've paid a good amount of money to them and they currently are not representing my opinion at all. I don't want the schools to shut. Unfortunately I need them more than they need me. As I'm SEN and have to do personal care/manual handling/moving and positioning of kids and at times restraint, I can't not be a member of a union. But I'm livid. I don't want schools to shut.
LastGoldenDaysOfSummer · 05/11/2020 07:24

@SugarbabyMilly

Teachers should not be wearing masks. My daughter is autistic, she wouldn’t be able to hear a thing that was said in the lesson. I can’t hear what people say with the masks on either.
Perhaps ask if the teachers can wear a mask which is transparent.

You can't ask them not to protect themselves from the virus.

noblegiraffe · 05/11/2020 07:28

There’s more than one teaching union,Ophelia

MrsHamlet · 05/11/2020 07:40

Ds was saying to me earlier how he can tell that some of the teachers don't want to be there. He said the good teachers are keeping going as normal. As he rightly pointed out, his dad hasn't taken a single day off work throughout all of this, it's been totally normal for him.
Maybe his science teacher is my friend. He doesn't want to be in school. He gets amazing results, students rate him, he recruits brilliantly to a level and students go on to study his subject at university. But his wife is terminally ill and he doesn't want to take a risk with her life.

LastGoldenDaysOfSummer · 05/11/2020 08:13

Maybe his science teacher is my friend. He doesn't want to be in school. He gets amazing results, students rate him, he recruits brilliantly to a level and students go on to study his subject at university. But his wife is terminally ill and he doesn't want to take a risk with her life.

How sad. That certainly puts it into perspective. I wish them well.

echt · 05/11/2020 08:19

My teacher friend has resigned his membership from the union. He teaches in deprived inner London and said trying to do online schooling with deprived children was impossible

Not sure what is meant here. Why impossible? Oh........a friend.

OpheliasCrayon · 05/11/2020 08:44

@noblegiraffe

There’s more than one teaching union,Ophelia
I know but for reasons irrelevant to this discussion I don't really want to leave the one I've always been in.

Are there any unions who think schools should stay open though?

noblegiraffe · 05/11/2020 08:48

NASUWT aren’t calling for schools to close, they are saying that if they remain open they need robust measures to protect staff and more funding. And for the DfE to sort the laptops out.

OpheliasCrayon · 05/11/2020 08:50

@noblegiraffe

NASUWT aren’t calling for schools to close, they are saying that if they remain open they need robust measures to protect staff and more funding. And for the DfE to sort the laptops out.
Oh fair enough. I don't really want to change though but I'll see how this pans out I guess. I'm angry at the neu currently but would be reluctant to change
Waxonwaxoff0 · 05/11/2020 09:07

@echt what's hard to understand? It means he doesn't want schools to close because he found it impossible to teach deprived children online who already don't have much interest in learning. Parents too busy working all hours to ensure schoolwork is done, shoddy internet or no internet at all at home. He wants to continue teaching face to face and is not happy with his union for calling for closures and so has resigned his membership.