ECV teachers and school staff...what does the advice mean for them?

[ForthPlace]

Work from home or have to be in school, seems a confused message.

How comes schools seem ti have such a high number of ecv ? Compared to other work places ?
Some on here are saying over a 1/4 off staff

I mean when you look at the list further up the thread there can't be many schools that have 1/4 stuff with these conditions and for some of them ( active chemo etc ) you prob wouldn't be at school at any time due to risks of colds , flu etc

It might be that a profession which is more to do with intellectual matters and less to do with physical exertion ends up with a more ECV workforce. Although I would say teaching can be demanding in many ways, and teachers can be on their feet all day. (not a teacher)

This is the latest that implies that the previously shielded should work from home:

There is a further group of people who are defined, also on medical grounds, as clinically extremely vulnerable to coronavirus – that is, people with specific serious health conditions. Over this period, we are advising the CEV to work from home. If you cannot work from home, you are advised not to go to work and may be eligible for Statutory Sick Pay (SSP) or Employment Support Allowance (ESA). You are encouraged to stay at home as much as possible, but are encouraged to go outside for exercise. The full new guidance will be published on Monday 2 November and the Government will write to everybody who is clinically extremely vulnerable to set out detailed advice while the new restrictions are in place. Current advice is in place at each local COVID alert level.

@Gright

This is the latest that implies that the previously shielded should work from home:

There is a further group of people who are defined, also on medical grounds, as clinically extremely vulnerable to coronavirus – that is, people with specific serious health conditions. Over this period, we are advising the CEV to work from home. If you cannot work from home, you are advised not to go to work and may be eligible for Statutory Sick Pay (SSP) or Employment Support Allowance (ESA). You are encouraged to stay at home as much as possible, but are encouraged to go outside for exercise. The full new guidance will be published on Monday 2 November and the Government will write to everybody who is clinically extremely vulnerable to set out detailed advice while the new restrictions are in place. Current advice is in place at each local COVID alert level.

Thank you Gright. I don't suppose you've read if the ecv list is going to be revised?

Can I just state on the record that I am NOT trying to get out of going to work. I'd be happy to go in every day and of live lessons from.my desk via teams to students at home or elsewhere. I love my job. Genuinely. Ask any of my students. But I didn't sign up for this.

This is what the government have written
This for the extremely vulnerable not the vulnerable group.

I'm in the clinically vulnerable group. Cases now amongst staff at school, no social distancing and lots of evidence to suggest clinically vulnerable more at risk of long Covid. I'm scared too.

How comes schools seem ti have such a high number of ecv ? Compared to other work places ?
Some on here are saying over a 1/4 off staff

Not really about proportions of staff in all cases though. It is more to do with the teaching role. In many jobs, work continues without the staff member, or work can stop, wait or be shared out.

Can't happen with teaching. No teachers, no school.

So most places can work from home... Lots of people paid another month's furlough... ECV teacher? Get SSP. Even if it was burgundy book....I can't afford to take a month's sick pay - what if I need it due to my medical needs?!

...and yes, I'm very grateful to have a job at the moment when others are not so lucky. I don't mean to come across as insensitive. But I've been life threateningly ill and I do not feel protected at all.

There are also the people who live with someone extremely vulnerable.
I have a friend who has just resigned, because she cannot risk taking the virus into her home, or her dh will die. Because she has resigned, I doubt it they will get any JSA or universal credit or anything, and, if this goes on for many months, they will have to sell their home. But there was no option for 'a secondment', and, being early years, the 'teaching via IT' is not a possibility. Her thinking is that her dh's life is more important than the home they live in.

I realise many people have lost their jobs. This virus is *!.

Teachers and other school staff in the shielded group (extremely clinically vulnerable) should absolutely be protected and they clearly cannot be safe and work in schools right now. I would hope they would be paid as usual. However, I find it hard to believe that many schools are unfortunate enough to have many ECV teachers. I’m sure some do but they’ll be the exception. Out of approx 4.5 million people in the shielded group, half are of working age. I wonder how many are employed and working in schools. Maybe I’m wrong but statistically, it doesn’t seem right that many schools would struggle if all ‘shielding’ teachers were sent home.

@LyraSilvertongueBelacqua

So most places can work from home... Lots of people paid another month's furlough... ECV teacher? Get SSP. Even if it was burgundy book....I can't afford to take a month's sick pay - what if I need it due to my medical needs?!

Taking sick pay now would be because of your medical needs though?

I took it as ECV should not go to work if can’t work from home.

They’d better sort out a decent arrangement for pay for this group. How can they expect people to survive on SSP when they are actually not unfit for work, it’s the gov who told them not to go?!

I must admit in the last wave I was surprised that according to posters on here at how many schools had “multiple teachers shielding” given that the shielded were only 4% of the population.

Taking sick pay now would be because of your medical needs though?

Not really. There’s a difference between being ill and unable to work and being well enough to go but the gov telling you not to

@BackforGood

There are also the people who live with someone extremely vulnerable. I have a friend who has just resigned, because she cannot risk taking the virus into her home, or her dh will die. Because she has resigned, I doubt it they will get any JSA or universal credit or anything, and, if this goes on for many months, they will have to sell their home. But there was no option for 'a secondment', and, being early years, the 'teaching via IT' is not a possibility. Her thinking is that her dh's life is more important than the home they live in.

I realise many people have lost their jobs. This virus is *!.

Shocking

Maybe I’m wrong but statistically, it doesn’t seem right that many schools would struggle if all ‘shielding’ teachers were sent home

As has been said somewhere else, possibly here, in many workplaces, the work of an ECV staff member in other workplaces can be shared out/ delegated, etc.etc. Not the case in teaching.

This is why schools will close.

and yes, I'm very grateful to have a job at the moment when others are not so lucky. I don't mean to come across as insensitive. But I've been life threateningly ill and I do not feel protected at all

Don't be grateful: it's the forelock-tugging narrative that abounds right now. You have the right to feel OK in your work and the race to the bottom wankers can go and well, you know.

@echt

That is why schools will close.

Schools must and will be staying open .

Schools must and will be staying open

No they mustn't, and probably won't.

Oh, ehct, didn't you know that saying schools might close summons a management consultant who will tell you that they mustn't & shan't?

You might as well say candyman in the mirror or Beetlejuice 3 times.

It means there’s going to be a lot of staff absences.

No way should you have to teach with no PPE in a pandemic. It’s cruel, I totally understand teachers will be off with long term sickness to protect themselves or their families.

Give it another three weeks and everything will be shut. This experiment will prove the virus continues to spread at a fast rate.

Oh, ehct, didn't you know that saying schools might close summons a management consultant who will tell you that they mustn't & shan't?

You might as well say candyman in the mirror or Beetlejuice 3 times.

Having seen ECV loads, can anyone tell me what it means?