Locking down to protect the well off

[IheartNiles]

Lockdowns protect the well off middle classes who can work from home in safe jobs. Lockdowns throw the working classes under the bus. The latter either take all the risk in public facing jobs, commuting on public transport, while their kids are left at home to educate selves. Or lose their jobs and income altogether.

It’s really depressing to hear women agitating for schools to shut. The repercussions of doing so are that WOMEN lose their jobs to perform childcare.

A high proportion of people who use this site need to pull their heads out of their overpriveged arses and take a look around. All the fucking shops and services you rely on are going to be decimated. No money will be forthcoming for the NHS without taxes. The NHS was cut to the bone after the last recession, the magic money tree that wasn’t there to increase nurses pay and might have helped mitigate against the current 40,000 and rising vacancies has shook bloody long and hard to pay for the consequences. Tell me how we are going to make this good because I can’t fucking see anything but misery ahead for the poorest among us.

The poor and vulnerable get fucked over in all scenarios.

Sadly this is the truth.

Because lockdown or not they'll still be working right?

No, many of the jobs will disappear, so they won't be working, it's again focusing on the exceptions, just like the "doctors are middle class, and they're not having it easy", it's the "supermarket worker will still be shit regardless". Ignoring the people who will lose some or all of their income, their job etc.

All the jobs HelloMissus listed will be carrying on through lockdown. They're not going to shut supermarkets or turn of the power are they?

Other jobs/sectors will undoubtedly suffer if we lock down. Some of these will be working class jobs, others will not (though Im not sure how sensible a way of dividing jobs that is).

If we dont lock down then I'm pretty sure the rising tide of cases will have a pretty catastrophic effect on the economy (as well as all the negative social and health consequences). I doubt people will be listening to reports of people dying in hospital corridors then carrying on as normal.

Are you getting sponsored on how many times you use the word agitate?

Be angry at the virus not at the middle classes. A lockdown is to protect the NHS. Don’t underestimate the virus and think you know better than scientists globally.

@NailsNeedDoing

I take your point and I don’t want lockdown either, but perspective matters here.

You say lockdowns protect the middle classes who can work from home, but all those middle class doctors, pharmacists, teachers, vets, dentists, etc probably won’t feel very protected against this virus that’s supposed to be so terrible.

All the working classes who were able to stay at home on furlough because their workplaces were in retail or hospitality were protected both from the virus and financially.

The biggest hit is to small business owners, who span across the classes.

While women may have to make the biggest sacrifice to look after their children if schools close, it’s also predominantly women whose health is most at risk if schools stay open.

Whichever way you look at this from, there will be misery for everyone. The rich will have nicer surroundings for their misery than those of us on low or middle incomes, but it’s not helpful to argue about whose lockdown related problems are worse.

This speaks a lot of truth. I don’t understand the persistent need to find a divide across society about an issue that is beyond everyone’s control and isn’t of anyone’s making.

There are no good options for anyone. Even Germany with its excellent test and trace is headed for lock down.

What hospital are you working at?

I'm a doctor who worked on a covid ward. I haven't heard of a single doctor workin from home.

The people I know agitating for lockdown are most working class people working in shops who got furloughed on 80%. They'd rather sit at home on their arses while NHS staff risk their lives.

For what it's worth, I think lockdown's pointless too, but you some across as rude and hysterical

@Sargass0

Yes this is what I’d pick on from what I said. Fool.

Yes- because the rest of what you're trying to disguise as some kind of intelligent debate...isn't

Disguising what? My point is there is little empathy shown for the effects of lockdown on working class people on this website. If it doesn’t fit with your narrative that’s not my problem.

@Volcanicorange

I'm a doctor who worked on a covid ward. I haven't heard of a single doctor workin from home.

The people I know agitating for lockdown are most working class people working in shops who got furloughed on 80%. They'd rather sit at home on their arses while NHS staff risk their lives.

For what it's worth, I think lockdown's pointless too, but you some across as rude and hysterical

You’re a peach. I hope you never look after me. What a horrible thing to say. About 90% of the consultants I worked with went home. They had a nice CEA for their efforts too

Lockdowns feel like collective hysteria to me. I expect future history lessons will teach this period like the South Sea Bubble and the tulip craze not like the bubonic plague.

Well 90% of the consultants I was working with caught Covid. One died.

What do you do in hospital, then? Not a doctor, I take it?

I fucking hope she isn't.

If we don't have lockdowns, the NHS will collapse and it will be the working class who will suffer the most if it does. That's who the NHS was created for in the first place.

Loving that the OP can call everybody all the names under the sun but gets touchy if someone calls her something arguably far less offensive.

@Volcanicorange, thank you for everything you and your colleagues do.

[quote TheSeedsOfADream]@Volcanicorange, thank you for everything you and your colleagues do. [/quote]
Oh here we go. Volcani could be anyone.

Thanks Seeds!
One of the silver linings of this whole mess has been feeling the country get behind the NHS and appreciate what we have

Nothing to be done about this situation here, but it seems like the key thing is not to be poor.

Do well at school, don’t be a teenage parent, live a healthy lifestyle and make the most of every opportunity. More money makes you more resilient.

Oh here we go. Volcani could be anyone.

My point is there is little empathy shown for the effects of lockdown on working class people on this website.

Go and read another website that fits your narrative then.

The poor and vulnerable get fucked over in all scenarios.

^^ This

Middle classes at home means fewer people on the Tube etc which is safer for those who can't wfh but also people at home means people not shopping, eating out etc which puts jobs at risk too

It's a no-win situation for the working classes again.

I've never seen clamoring for schools to shut. I've seen calls for blended learning or half term to be extended to 2 weeks so that the chances of being sent home randomly decreases.