The U.K Covid Response is crazy

[MiamiPuss]

Current consensus on the infection fatality rate (which has been continually falling as better data arrives) is 0.2 per cent. The average age of death from Covid is actually above the average age of death from all causes.

We didn’t react like this to Swine Flu. This is crazy.

Not all would get CV but 0.2% of 66m is 132000 excess deaths, so gives an idea of where we would go by doing nothing.

Then there are those who are very treatable but shear numbers would block up the NHS.... so even more deaths.

Is 132000 really that substantial in terms of deaths/statistics? I don’t mean that in an offensive way but with a population of 66 mil we will have a lot of deaths over the year?

I appreciate the NHS would be totally overwhelmed and it’s a shame it was already on its knees even prior to covid. I mean you couldn’t make it up could you, three years ago they stopped the bursary and we are only just beginning to see the effects of that in terms of new nurses joining the NHS. It was a foolish, foolish move indeed from this idiotic government. The bursary has been introduced again now but that’s still going to be another three years until we see an uptake in nurse numbers.

There is no "current consensus" on a 0.2% IFR for the UK amongst infectious disease expertd.

Please can you share where you’ve got the 0.2% current consensus on mortality rate from?

The NHS should never be overwhelmed by a virus with a fatality rate that low. That it is is evidence of its shameful overfunding.

UNDERFUNDING. Gah.

I think the response is based on the hospitalisation rate and not the fatality rate. It’s around 20% and whilst this is similar to flu due to the lack of previous immunity the numbers of people who might require hospitalisation are much higher than they are for seasonal flu (which also has a vaccine and I’m not sure if the flu hospitalisation rate of 17% is in an unvaccinated population)

If people would just have the good grace to drop dead of covid at home and people would just not bother seeking help with the NHS for respiratory failure and such and taking all the beds and people would just muscle on and go to work so that we would not see any economic disadvantage from large scale work absences and if people would just stop getting long covid and drag us down with talk of exhaustion and illness for months on end and if only all the NHS staff and teachers would just put aside their concerns of all of the above and then if everyone would just loosen up their purse string and keep buying things and stop saving their money for the inevitable rainy day....THEN WE COULD JUST LEARN TO LIVE WITH THE VIRUS !

Something like that, op?

and another one

Swine flu killed 457 in the UK. Covid has killed 58,000 and counting.

Why on earth are you comparing the response?

Yup. Another op which is an amalgam of cut and paste soundbites. But to what end, op?

I think it's a bit like a Mills and Boon road map to wrong an op.

First sentence, give them a stat.
Second, minimise and dehumanise the dying
Third: Mention Sweden
Fourth: General Despair

The problem is the numbers not the percentage

Really, is there some sort of alert out in Vlad’s Siberian call centre? This has been done to death.

Get your jollies some other way!

U.K. is not alone in response though

Its not just a UK response though is it, there's been a response worldwide . Is the whole world wrong?

@BelleSausage

Really, is there some sort of alert out in Vlad’s Siberian call centre? This has been done to death.

Get your jollies some other way!

It does seem to be that way.

We can advance search on here and spot the new posters, OP. We also have eyes and can see when you start multiple threads.

The problem is the time frame. Many people would be sick and dying within a very short space of time. Without restrictions, it would escalate to levels that would overwhelm the health service in a matter of weeks.

This is why the lockdowns in Wuhan and Lombardy were so swift and strict.

why are people so fixated on death rates? the seriously ill who survive but need intensive barrier nursing for long periods are far far more than those who die - who by the way may take time to die & need nursing for months
Please note many who are seriously ill & don't die are not retirement age

Really, is there some sort of alert out in Vlad’s Siberian call centre?

Ha, probably

Hello OP are you out there?

Not all would get CV but 0.2% of 66m is 132000 excess deaths, so gives an idea of where we would go by doing nothing.

Not even close, more like 500k+. The Case Fatality Rate is very low because we have really effective treatment and because most vulnerable people are being very careful. The CFR will remain around 0.2% (this is actually a reasonable ball park at the mo) right up until the last ICU bed is gone.

Once maximum capacity is exceeded hospitals will start turning away everyone except emergency cases. Once people have to wait until they are at risk of dying before getting on oxygen the CFR will leap up and the long term effects will be much worse for any serious case.

Cancer and other deaths will increase because hospitals won't be treating non-urgent cases, or even urgent ones where the patient is immunosuppressed. Nobody will be going out so the economy will tank. The clinically extremely vulnerable will start getting it once it's so prevelent that it's hard to avoid.

Covid is completely managable, unless we do something fucking stupid like letting it run out of control. If you want to know what that looks like search for news footage from New York or Northern Italy or Spain at the peak of their outbreaks.

The idea that all these epidemiologists are idiots and only the conspiracy theorists can see the truth that it's 'just flu' is fantasy. I understand why people fantasise- we're on tier 3, it's shit. But spreading lies won't help anyone.

Am sure there was an antibiotic or something for swine flu I remember going round all the chemists trying to get it for my son age 2 then. an it was given as procustion if had any symptoms. You only have to look up the death rate between swine flu an covid to realise this is much worse.

Am sure there was an antibiotic or something for swine flu

Antibiotics treat bacteria. There was an antiviral called Tamiflu which works because Swine Flu is an influenza virus. Covid is a Coronavirus, so it won't help.

There are treatments but they are far from 100% effective so far.