Would you ignore the instruction to isolate if...

[SLAW70s]

...you had Covid yourself two weeks ago and possibly started the local outbreak ?

My dd tested positive about two weeks ago but is only just back at college.

She has now been named as a close contact by someone in her friendship group and is being told to isolate by the college.

Ironically, dd was the first of a few to test positive in her bubble so was their person zero iYSWIM.

In these circumstances, would you Just ignore the instruction to isolate at home, or contact Public Health England for advice? I appreciate that she can’t go back to college until this is cleared up but I wonder what the legal position is with track and trace in these circumstances. (So far it’s only the college that have told her to isolate.)

I’m so confused by mn this thread is saying follow the rules there’s another thread currently about how people will break the rule of 6 for Xmas

@premiumKale

I’m so confused by mn this thread is saying follow the rules there’s another thread currently about how people will break the rule of 6 for Xmas

Presumably not the same posters.

The gov website says:

Will I need to self-isolate if I previously tested positive for COVID-19 but have now been notified that I am a contact of a person who has had a positive test result for COVID-19?

If you have previously tested positive for COVID-19, you will probably have developed some short-term immunity to the disease. However, it is not certain that will happen for everyone who has had COVID-19, nor do we know how long any immunity to the disease might last.

If you are notified that you are a contact of someone who has had a positive test result for COVID-19, you must immediately self-isolate and follow this guidance.

Self-isolating at home for 14 days is very important even if you have already had COVID-19. This will help protect your family, friends and the NHS. You will be helping to protect the most vulnerable in society, by limiting the spread of infection in the wider community and reducing the chance of a second wave of COVID-19.

Some one should send this thread to the Boris. The whole thing is clear as mud.

Daisy pond' spots seems clear, but I think that information should be circulated more wildly.

No I don’t think they are the same posters, I just find it confusing when you can have so many people saying follow the rules on one thread and it’s fine to not follow the rules on another thread

Sorry i have ASD I find it all a bit confusing. I would just follow the rules and isolate if it was any family

my family not any

The last bit of info provided by daisypond says..

This will help protect your family, friends and the NHS. You will be helping to protect the most vulnerable in society, by limiting the spread of infection in the wider community and reducing the chance of a second wave of COVID-19.

and that's what most of these rules are about..

But I guess we can all keep trying to find work arounds to fit our own special circumstances and as a result be condemned to ducking and diving from this darned disease forever more, and until ( actually it's an If) a vaccine is produced...

Can I ask people on this thread if they believe having Covid doesn't give immunity do they believe a vaccination will?

Op she probably won't be allowed back into college but if she were my DD I'd allow her out.

They need to clarify the guidance on this, as this is going to start happening more and more often. The chances of you getting reinfected with Covid a few weeks after having it must be almost zero. Some people are donating plasma with antibodies in it 6/7/8 months after they have had Covid.

Can I ask people on this thread if they believe having Covid doesn't give immunity do they believe a vaccination will?

Yes, exactly.

My sister who has had a positive test and the antibody test at work still has to self isolate and test every time she has symptoms and still has to self isolate if she is a contact.

I'm with you OP if it is likely that DD passed it on to her friend in the first place there's no need to reisolate. Would be interested in PHE's stance. The thing is there's no definates here because chances are DD would swab positive still as it's been shown previously positive patients can still shed covid cells so you couldn't be 100% sure if it was new infection anyway.
What are you thinking of letting her do go for local walks?

PHE do not advise on individual cases. The 119 service is mostly staffed by travel agents (I'm not joking).

Following the guidelines, she should isolate.

Following the law, she is not obliged to isolate until advised to do so by the test and trace service.

Up to you which one you follow.

And this is why people are fed up and rebelling. If someone had Covid 2 weeks ago and are now all clear, go out to the shops, only to come back to a message saying they've been exposed and must isolate for 2 weeks ... no fucking way are they going to do that.

They won't have been exposed enough in a big store or a 5 minute trip into a shop to pick something up,

If they just got over it, they won't pick it up again the following week. They just won't.

Everyone could spend the next 6 months in and out of isolation every 3 weeks. Mad and pointless.

This is not the way forward.

Absolutely agree, marvellous

@marveloustimeruiningeverything I agree with what you're saying in principle, but you wouldn't get an alert after such a brief contact.

@dementedpixie

The .gov link? If a family member infects another within the 14 day isolation then the rest of the members of the family don't need to restart isolation. If the 14 days has finished and then there is a new infection then isolation does restart I'll find the info graphic to show this:

It’s a minefield. What if child 2 in this illustration had no symptoms because he didn’t catch it from mum or child 1? Surely he WOULD need to isolate again in case he caught it from Dad?!

That screenshot isn't helpful because the question asked in it is not the same question that the OP has.

The government guidelines say this:

Requirements on person notified of positive test for acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) and close contacts of such persons

2.—(1) This regulation applies where an adult is notified, other than by means of the NHS Covid 19 smartphone app developed and operated by the Secretary of State, by a person specified in paragraph (4) that—

(a)they have—

(i)tested positive for severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) (“coronavirus”) pursuant to a test after 28th September 2020, or

(ii)had close contact after 28th September 2020 with someone who has tested positive for coronavirus;

(b)a child in respect of whom they are a responsible adult has—

(i)tested positive for coronavirus pursuant to a test after 28th September 2020, or

(ii)come into close contact after 28th September 2020 with someone who has tested positive for coronavirus.

(4) The persons specified for the purpose of paragraphs (1) and (2) are—

(a)the Secretary of State;

(b)a person employed or engaged for the purposes of the health service (within the meaning of section 275 of the National Health Service Act 2006(7) or section 108 of the National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978(8));

(c)a person employed or engaged by a local authority.

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1045/made

Yes, of course.

@chasingmytail4 the .gov advice says this:

Returning to your normal routine

If you remain well, you can return to your normal routine at the end of the 14-day period. You do not need to isolate for longer than 14 days, even if other household members develop symptoms during this period. However, the person with new symptoms should now self-isolate for 10 days. People in the household who remain well after 14 days are unlikely to be infectious.

@SLAW70s

To those who are saying she should isolate..surely that also means that within a family bubble if 4 people in a family get in succession the person one needs to keep isolating until person 4 is better as they’re all close contacts of each other even if person one gave it to them in the first place!!

Yes, because person one could well still pass it on via contact, i.e. if they touch a surface or item which has recently been touched by someone with covid, and then pass it by contact to someone else outside their bubble or a surface or item touched by someone else.

@KnightsofColumbusThatHurt

Can I ask people on this thread if they believe having Covid doesn't give immunity do they believe a vaccination will?

Yes, exactly.

Long standing science shows that a vaccination is very different from being immune due to having previously caught an infection. Google for it - lots of information out there. Just because catching it "may no" give long term protection doesn't mean that a vaccine doesn't.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-live-with-someone-with-covid-19-symptoms-or-a-positive-test-result

@user1497207191 the above link explains that in a household situation the 14 day isolation is not extended if others get covid within that timeframe so person 1 wouldn't need to isolate again