If I’m in a tier 2 area can I travel to see family who live elsewhere?

[jblue2018]

Just that really. I’m in a tier 2 and they are not. Can I go and see them inside? Can’t find guidance on this...

No you can't. You have to follow the rules of your tier wherever you go. Otherwise everyone would just hop over the borders and start mixing.

Yes you can go and visit.

No you cannot see them indoors.

You follow the rules of the tier where you live, or the place you are visiting whichever is higher

It’s in the guidance if you look up the covid alert level High on gov.uk.
You can’t spend time inside (whether private or public place) with anyone you don’t live with or your support bubble. You can spend time outside in a group up to 6. This applies whether it happens inside or outside the specific local area, it’s based on where you live.

Look at it this way: there's is a certain risk in the area you live in. If you travel somewhere you are taking that riskiness with you.

I guess not then. Interesting. Seems like such a ‘token gesture’ rule to me. There is no way they could possibly keep track of whose going out of the tier 2 and where people come from.

Of course they can’t keep track of it - but why does that make it a “token gesture” rule? No one checks you’re wearing seatbelts every time you drive, but you still do it don’t you?

OP society relies on people self-policing themselves and this is no different.

You can visit them outside

There are no laws on engalnd proventing travel into or out of any tier - I’m tier 3 and can go anywhere

It’s all advice. Gov stated explicitly that the travel was guidance only

I couldn't find this in the guidance either - I agree it makes sense to apply whichever tier is higher in the two locations, but I couldn't find that explicitly. Our support bubble (MIL) lives in a tier 1 while we're tier 2 - I think we can go and stay with her but probably not pop in to other friends or family when we're with her? But it's not crystal clear from what I've read so far.

Yes you can travel, if it's essential. You keep the rules of your tier if it's lower than where you are visiting. So no indoors of any kind. Get some thermals. My DD was meant to be visiting this weekend for the first time since beginning of March and she's staying in a self contained accommodation and will sit in our garden to see us or outside a cafe. It's a bit shit but if no one follows the rules we will be worse off ultimately ( I keep telling myself, 2 out of us 3 in our house are very vulnerable)

You follow the rules of the tier where you live, or the place you are visiting whichever is higher

Is this from gov.uk or an opinion?

The .gov website has guidance and it says

"If you live in a high alert level area you also cannot meet indoors with people outside of the area, unless exceptions apply."

You can meet with family from another tier indoors if they are in a support bubble with you, I think. If in England, in Wales there are limits on travel that may prevent that I think. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

No you can meet who you want when you want

It’s guidance now law

The giv stated explicity that it was guidance only no matter what tier youre in

By meet I mean travel to meet

Obv it has to be outdoors but movement in itself if not restricted by law in any tier

OP is specifically asking about seeing them inside, not the travelling bit.

Certainly the GM lockdown rules, which I understand are the same as the new tier 2, have always been that you cannot have visitors to your house or visit anyone else's anywhere.

@NaturalLight

Of course they can’t keep track of it - but why does that make it a “token gesture” rule? No one checks you’re wearing seatbelts every time you drive, but you still do it don’t you?

I suppose I’m just another teacher whose fed up with the idea that I can do my job, done into contact with 30 children and all of their contacts - but sitting indoors to have a cup of tea with my mum who I’m really close to - not allowed. She also provides childcare for my daughter, assuming that’s still allowed so I can do my job?! So if she’s in my house looking after my child then how pointless that I can’t see her. I know everyone could make up reasons like this why the rules done make sense for their personal situation so I’m not asking for a telling off. I’m just so done with it.

Gosh my autocorrect likes the word done 🙈
**Come into contact
**Don’t apply to them

@jblue2018

I guess not then. Interesting. Seems like such a ‘token gesture’ rule to me. There is no way they could possibly keep track of whose going out of the tier 2 and where people come from.

Most laws are based on the premise the vast majority of people will comply.

If we all started speeding on roads with no cameras, or smoking indoors in buildings, or stealing small items, that would be hard to track too.

Luckily most people obey the law.

It is law, it was written into legislation, here is the link to the 'high' tier legislation https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1104/pdfs/uksi202011044_en.pdf

From page 10 it says:

Participation in gatherings indoors
1.—(1) No person may participate in a gathering in the Tier 2 area which—
(a) consists of two or more people, and
(b) takes place indoors.
Regulation 3
(2) No person living in the Tier 2 area may participate in a gathering outside that area which—
(a) consists of two or more people, and
(b) takes place indoors.
(3) Sub-paragraphs (1) and (2) do not apply if any of the exceptions set out in paragraph 4 apply.
Participation in gatherings outdoors
2.—(1) No person may participate in a gathering in the Tier 2 area which—
(a) consists of more than six people, and
(b) takes place outdoors.
(2) No person living in the Tier 2 area may participate in a gathering outside that area which—
(a) consists of more than six people, and
(b) takes place outdoors.
(3) Sub-paragraphs (1) and (2) do not apply if any of the exceptions set out in paragraph 5 apply.
(4) This paragraph does not permit a person to participate in a gathering in the Tier 2 area in contravention of paragraph 1(2) or 2(2) of Schedule 1 to the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Local COVID-19 Alert Level) (Very High) (England) Regulations 2020.

There are exceptions where the person you are travelling to provides regular childcare or is vulnerable and needs you to be their career on pages 11 and 12.

My adult ds will be in tier 2 from tomorrow and was meant to be coming to stay with us soon (too far to come for a day and sit in the garden). We're in tier 3 so I guess he can't now.

But is there anything to stop me going to stay with him?

It's ironic because rates in his area are almost identical to ours.

@Medievalist

My adult ds will be in tier 2 from tomorrow and was meant to be coming to stay with us soon (too far to come for a day and sit in the garden). We're in tier 3 so I guess he can't now.

But is there anything to stop me going to stay with him?

It's ironic because rates in his area are almost identical to ours.

You can't stay overnight with another household in any area if you are from tier 2 or 3.

The rules are so complex that honestly just do what you need to do but take precautions

Police are giving warnings for first breaks they’ve admitted that

Certainly in my area - liverpool - it’s discussion rather than fines first time as they know so many are confused by the rules

They change every week

But the rules aren’t complex people are just choosing not to follow them.

• maintain social distancing
• wear a mask indoors
• tier 2 only meet up to 6 people outside, no indoor household mixing
• tier 3 no household mixing indoors or outdoors
• the rules follow you so if you leave the area you keep following your rules

They are not complex if your interested in covid like most people on these threads are - for many they don’t follow news etc so

On my local Facebook group almost 90% don’t know rules at all