Can people in a tier 2 area visit people in tier 1?

[EmmaGrundyForPM]

DS lives in a tier 2 area (Nottingham). We live in tier 1. We were planning to go and visit him in 2 weeks time, just for the day (2 hour drive away). Obviously we now can't do that.

Ds is now suggesting he comes here for the weekend instead, on the train. I don't think this is allowed but he thinks it is. I've looked at the rules but we are still not clear. Can anyone clarify?

I don't think there js a way to work this. Residents in a tier 3 area may not mix with anyone either inside or outside. Travelling to a tier 2 area does not change your status as a tier 3 resident. Travel into and out of the tier 3 area is not recommended although that point is guidance only.

Residents in a tier 2 area may mix outside (but not inside) up to a maximum of six but given you are tier 3 you cannot meet him outside (or inside).

I'm sorry OP because it's really rotten and you must have been looking forward to seeing him. I have the same problem... I'm tier 2 and family are tier 1 but they are too far away for it not to involve an overnight stay. We could meet in the garden but it's a long way and involves a hotel stay for what would be an hour in the garden. It's heartbreaking.

My understanding is if he’s in tier 2 he can’t meet up with you inside, so definitely won’t be able to stay for the weekend (unless you put him in a tent in the garden!). You are allowed to meet him in Nottingham but only outside.

Sorry @EmmaGrundyForPM. I've totally misread your message. I thought you were tier 3 for some reason.

As you are tier one he can come and meet you in your area outside. You can also travel to Notts to meet him outside.

@RaggieDolls

I don't think there js a way to work this. Residents in a tier 3 area may not mix with anyone either inside or outside. Travelling to a tier 2 area does not change your status as a tier 3 resident. Travel into and out of the tier 3 area is not recommended although that point is guidance only.

Residents in a tier 2 area may mix outside (but not inside) up to a maximum of six but given you are tier 3 you cannot meet him outside (or inside).

I'm sorry OP because it's really rotten and you must have been looking forward to seeing him. I have the same problem... I'm tier 2 and family are tier 1 but they are too far away for it not to involve an overnight stay. We could meet in the garden but it's a long way and involves a hotel stay for what would be an hour in the garden. It's heartbreaking.

None of us are tier 3. He is in Tier 2 and we are in Tier 1. He would be coming to us (Tier 1). I think this isnt allowed, he thinks it is.

www.gov.uk/government/news/prime-minister-announces-new-local-covid-alert-levels
Advice not to travel into or out of an area seems to only apply to Tier 3 (very high) areas. For Tier 2 it says to reduce the number of journeys you make.
That said, if he came to you, you can't meet indoors anyway so it would have to be outside and advice is to avoid public transport.

Nottingham is now high alert so no, he can’t travel on a train to come and visit for the weekend.

If you live in a high alert level area you also cannot meet indoors with people outside of the area, unless exceptions apply

You must not meet socially with friends and family indoors in any setting unless you live with them or have formed a support bubble with them

You may continue to travel to venues or amenities which are open, for work, voluntary, charitable or youth services, or to access education, within a high alert level area

www.gov.uk/guidance/local-covid-alert-level-high#meeting-family-and-friends

www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/coronavirus-covid-19/new-covid-restrictions/

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He can if he meets them outside @LadyFannyButton.

@EmmaGrundyForPM, please see my subsequent message. I misread your original post.

If he's Tier 2, he's allowed to visit you, and you are allowed to go to him, although as others have said you can only meet outside and not in groups of more than six. You or he could stay over in a hotel in if you wanted to meet on more than one day.

To be frank, I would probably take the chance while you can because it seems doubtful restrictions will lift any time soon but rather are likely to become more stringent over winter.

That's only about the indoors LadyFannyButton the guidance also says.

You may continue to see friends and family you do not live with (or have not formed a support bubble with) outside, including in a garden or other outdoor space. When you do so, you must not meet in a group of more than 6. This limit of 6 includes children of any age.

www.gov.uk/guidance/local-covid-alert-level-high#meeting-family-and-friends

Ds is arguing that the meeting indoors rule only applies within the Tier 2 area. So he can't have anyone visit his flat but he could come home for a weekend as we are Tier 1. I've looked on the government website and don't think its clear but don't think he should be leaving Nottingham. He has got a couple of friends whose parents are picking them up and taking them home on a long term basis but ds wants to stay in Nottingham and just come home for a weekend.

Within the restrictions, he can only meet you outdoors if he comes to you. The restrictions of the higher tier apply to the person from that area regardless of where they go.

@FourTeaFallOut

Within the restrictions, he can only meet you outdoors if he comes to you. The restrictions of the higher tier apply to the person from that area regardless of where they go.

Thanks, that makes sense. I need to find that in writing because DS is really wanting to come home. To be fair, he has been really good at keeping to the rules so if I point out exactly what they are he won't argue.

We are in the same situation. We are Tier 1, DS1 and DSS are both in Tier 2 areas. My understanding is that wherever we meet it can only be outside. DS1 has been in local lockdown for months but thankfully we went to visit on Sunday, before the rule change and met with him at a restaurant for lunch. So sad we can't do that now.

www.gov.uk/guidance/local-covid-alert-level-high#meeting-family-and-friends

says "If you live in a high alert level area you also cannot meet indoors with people outside of the area, unless exceptions apply."

www.thesun.co.uk/travel/12916620/tier-two-holiday-coronavirus-travel-advice-latest/

It's a sun link l, sorry, I'm sure there are better sources. If you are in tier 2 you can travel but only with your own bubble and you can gather with 6 people but only outdoors. So the restrictions come with you.

@RaggieDolls @WeddingGrump

I know the restrictions are for indoors but OP’s post said he wanted to visit for the weekend which implies he would be staying the night.

Also the travel is restricted for work/education -not a weekend family visit.

No, as a pp said it applies to the person so he can't meet or stay with you inside. He could however book an air bnb or hotel and stay in that, then meet you outside.

He can travel outside the region even for leisure reasons. You can also travel for holidays. It's not just essential holidays.

Travel isn't restricted to education and work for Tier 2 LadyFannyButton

You can still go on holiday outside of high alert level areas, but you must only do this with people in your household or support bubble.

www.gov.uk/guidance/local-covid-alert-level-high#meeting-family-and-friends

It's tier 3 - very high - where residents are advised not to travel out of their area, and even that is only advised, not forbidden.

The charts are from the government so that's the official information.

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thank you everyone. He won't come back for the weekend if he has to stay in a hotel and only see us outside.

I just hope that Nottingham comes down from Tier 1 before Christmas