Why can't we just have a full lockdown for 2/4 weeks and get it over and done with?

[Betty94]

Hello,

First I'd like to say I have been incredibly lucky and fortunate enough not to have had covid or have had any of my friends or family affected by it (apart from DH being made redundant) but I know how serious it is and the illness itself is devastating but I also feel the impact it's having on the economy and mental health is equally as devastating and it really does feel like we're living half a life -

I know the priminister is making an announcement tonight about going into "tier 3" which means pubs and gyms will be closed for 4 weeks (to six months) but I don't understand the point of it - what's the point of closing pubs and gyms but letting people mix at schools and work etc like you can't even meet with your own family (or you'll get accused of killing grandma) but mixing with people when you don't know where they've been and children mixing, you can't really expect kids to know to social distance or for teenagers to even care, they don't think about consequences ( I don't think I would have cared as a teenager as they tend to live in there here and now)

I just don't understand why we can't go in a full lockdown for 2-4 weeks, I understand the cost of that wouldn't be brilliant but people can still work from home and they can keep essential shops open like supermarkets so they wouldn't be paying as much as they did in March-June etc because surely if it carries on as it is then it's going to cost more in the long run (apparently tier 3 could last for six months but the virus won't be gone then)

Maybe I'm just being naive and stupid but I really don't see any other option - not going to the pub or the gym will not slow the virus down - I don't know what do people think would need doing so we can have some normality ? I know our opinions don't really matter and the government will do whatever they want really but I just wondered what other people thought

@romeolovedjulliet

it won't work because there are so many tossers who refuse to wear a mask when they are able to, those who are exempt then that's fine obviously, those who don't observe social distancing / wash hands. those who are too thick to isolate properly when required to do so, breaking rules about bubbles etc. as for the 10pm curfew what was that supposed to achieve ? the rules are there to help protect everyone but as long as there are arse holes out there this isn't going to get easier for anyone, especially given the time of year as well.

An equal problem is those tossers who think masks are an answer to all of this

How many people wear them in a proper and sterile way compared with those who wear them because the PM says so?

[quote redvest]@TrustTheGeneGenie

Do you have parents or grandparents you're prepared to see die so that the younger population can carry on as normal?

There is a middle way you know[/quote]
My great grandmother is well into her 80s and no I don't want her to die but unfortunately she is going to at some point. As are we all.

We can shield older people and let younger people live their lives you know?

As it goes she's still going out because she's had enough of feeling isolated and alone and I don't blame her for one second.

My understanding is that the initial lockdown was about suppressing the virus not eradicating it. Another lockdown is not feasible. We all need to try our best to continue our lives as normally as possible as sensibly as we can.
Bearing in mind that if our lives feel normal we are probably not doing the right thing

I think we would need a Wuhan style lockdown to achieve a real break of the virus

How many times will we need to lockdown? How do you suggest my dp and I feed our children and keep a roof over our heads as 2 self employed people. Dont think they will keep giving out self employed grants.

No one's stopping you.

Fill your boots.

Careful @Aridane you’ll be giving people orgasms at the thought of people being told to stay in their homes and the doors being welded up to enforce it...

Protect/shield vulnerable people and allow healthy people to mix with the additional hygiene / distancing guidance

What - all 7 million of them?

And do we put them in a separate area to shield them from the people they live with?

Indeed - like all the twats earlier in the year salivating at the thought of a Spanish-style lockdown with children being shut indoors. Fat lot of good it did Spain, of course.

@goldrabbit22

No one's stopping you.

Fill your boots.

Already way ahead of you, I actually don't leave the house as my immune system is compromised and I feel that's safer for myself.

There should be full strick lockdown for few weeks.
This is not great as schools open, people still going out, driving to schools etc, all shops.
I want schools to open, don’t get me wrong but these partial lockdown can’t work if people will be mingling all over especially when schools , shops open on low risk areas.

@Rushjob - ha ha - no, I think the orgasms are more likely to gush forty at the idea of ghetto-ising the vulnerable

@Hiddennameforever

There should be full strick lockdown for few weeks. This is not great as schools open, people still going out, driving to schools etc, all shops. I want schools to open, don’t get me wrong but these partial lockdown can’t work if people will be mingling all over especially when schools , shops open on low risk areas.

People wouldn't abide by it, I don't think. There is not the willingness there was in March.

It's NEVER going to be 'over and done with' as you put it. Keeping kids of school also means finding childcare for them at home, and I for one cannot afford another day off work, never mind weeks or months. My business is on the brink of absolute ruin at the moment.

Also, Boris Johnson is our 'Prime Minister', not our 'priminister'. Did you never wonder what 'priminister' actually meant as a word?

Good for you if you can happily lock down and snuggle up at home for months on end, but not all of us have that luxury, and it nearly ruined me the first time, mentally, physically and financially.

WHO has done a total u turn with regard to lockdown. They are now strongly advising against it.

It won’t work, it hasn’t worked in Europe. It makes a resurgence in most countries that try

Madeira has (279 cases, 0 deaths)

Its a sticking plaster solution.. like taking the lid of a bottle of pop you can do it slowly or quickly but if you put the lid back on the fizz still has to come out at some point.

It's a shame more people haven't understood how a virus works or listened to the reasoning behind the initial lockdown and subsequent targeted restrictions, really.

(Madeira has worked)

@Hiddennameforever

There should be full strick lockdown for few weeks. This is not great as schools open, people still going out, driving to schools etc, all shops. I want schools to open, don’t get me wrong but these partial lockdown can’t work if people will be mingling all over especially when schools , shops open on low risk areas.

And what will that solve exactly?

We'll be in exactly the same situation when everything reopens again.

Lockdown isn't some magic wand that you flick and Covid goes away. It prevents the inevitable for a short while.

At some point schools have to open, people have to go to work, businesses have to open their doors again in order to survive. And when they do, cases rise. You can't avoid it by just locking down for a few weeks.

Tiny islands miles from anywhere aren’t a helpful comparison point.

@LindaEllen

It's NEVER going to be 'over and done with' as you put it. Keeping kids of school also means finding childcare for them at home, and I for one cannot afford another day off work, never mind weeks or months. My business is on the brink of absolute ruin at the moment.

Also, Boris Johnson is our 'Prime Minister', not our 'priminister'. Did you never wonder what 'priminister' actually meant as a word?

Good for you if you can happily lock down and snuggle up at home for months on end, but not all of us have that luxury, and it nearly ruined me the first time, mentally, physically and financially.

As mentioned I typed priminister as an accident, it was typed out quickly due to being at work and I haven't had any sleep - I corrected myself when it was pointed out the first time.

I can't say I'm exactly "cuddled up" at home? I have a compromised immune system so it's not exactly a choice, I work from home and I study from home and I haven't taken any luxuries such as going out to the pub or for meals etc - I'm sorry about your business and I know a lot of people have been affected even myself as mentioned DH was made redundant - I can see now a lockdown isn't viable, I guess there's no answer really and we'll have to trust in our government.

*An equal problem is those tossers who think masks are an answer to all of this

How many people wear them in a proper and sterile way compared with those who wear them because the PM says so?*

That's an issue with the "tossers" who wont wear them properly or even worse just tie a single piece of cloth in front of their mouths and claim they are doing their bit. The science is very clear on masks having been investigated for years those single layer cloth masks barely help at all. The government should have mandated an appropriate mask standard. The main issue would have been enforcement as the British people consistently try to work around any rules and claim they have reasons they dont apply to them.

but OP, what would 2-4 weeks of lockdown achieve? The virus will still be there.

Another lockdown after 2 month then, and again and again?

Where does it end?

The virus is here to stay, like the flu and like colds and like chickenpox, until there is a vaccine...

We had better learn to live with it, accept it, let the vulnerable and old isolate if they wish/need.

I know many older people who do not wish to isolate, and don't

We've all lost our freedom now, we no longer live in a democracy (parliament ahs been sidelined...for how long? and we are ruled by an unelected committee) we will lose money and jobs and future chances, children and young people have lost out in terms of education and job opportunities, society is becoming less equal, the poor are more affected, the sick are worse affected (cancer patients thrown under a bus)

I think lockdown measures are much more detrimental to society than the virus itself.

I wonder if people would be saying let the virus "burn itself out" if those most at risk were under 30 with no underlying health conditions

Yes, we would be locked down to shit

I doubt we would Then be locking down / shielding The vulnerable Young leaving the oldies to carry on with life as normal