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Only Liverpool will be allocated Tier 3 status - The Times

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RedComb · 12/10/2020 08:36

The Times has generally been quite accurate in its reporting over the past months. Today it says that Greater Manchester and Lancashire will not be designated Tier 3 status. I really think this is a mistake.

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Ickabog · 12/10/2020 08:39

I'm curious about why Nottingham won't be tier 3. 🤔

Redcrayons · 12/10/2020 08:41

Boris doesn’t like scousers.

Not saying that LCR doesn’t need further restrictions, but Nottingham has a much higher rate of infection.

Flev · 12/10/2020 08:50

As far as Nottingham are concerned - having ignored us for a week and a half so far, it would be extremely unfair to put us straight into tier 3 without giving the tier 2 restrictions a chance to take effect.
Massive impact here from one of our universities being extremely conscientious and doing widespread testing of all students, so finding loads of asymptomatic cases that aren't being identified in most areas. Oh yeah, and the students make up about a sixth of our population!

MaxNormal · 12/10/2020 08:50

Liverpool and Johnson enjoy an especially acrimonious relationship.

Buckwheat80 · 12/10/2020 09:17

Is it because going on the number of infections is a bit of a blunt instrument? If all the cases are in contained settings - e.g. care homes, universities - does it actually justify Tier 3 restrictions?

Lily193 · 12/10/2020 09:20

It was reported yesterday that Liverpool leaders had agreed to Tier 3 status but those in Manchester had not - this may not be correct, but it's what I read.

CloudsCanLookLikeSheep · 12/10/2020 09:20

I think Manchester is being excluded from level 3 due to Andy Burnham.

Liverpool dont have as vocal a mayor/representative.

hellsbells99 · 12/10/2020 09:22

When they say Liverpool, do they just mean Liverpool though? They seem to keeping lumping the Wirral into Liverpool.

Pluckedpencil · 12/10/2020 09:23

I agree it's down to Andy Burnham. And he's right, because no other fucker is going to defend jobs there. Liverpool need someone to advocate for them. I believe if things are this bad, it's all or nothing. Whole country again or crack on.

JacobReesMogadishu · 12/10/2020 09:25

I don't normally like any politicians but I'll make an exception for Andy Burnham.

hellsbells99 · 12/10/2020 09:27

Nottingham has higher rates than Liverpool doesn’t it? So why only Liverpool?

Redcrayons · 12/10/2020 09:27

@Flev it’s the same in Liverpool. There’s 4 universities.

@hellsbells99 it’s liverpool city region, so basically Merseyside plus Halton.

Bickles · 12/10/2020 09:29

I’m amazed- I thought Leeds and Bradford would be tier 3. In Bradford we’ve had local restrictions since 1st August and rates still rising.

girlicorne · 12/10/2020 09:37

@hellsbells99 I asked that on another thread yesterday as we are in Nottingham and I had prepared the kids for our half term holidays being cancelled due to tier 3. I believe hospital admissions are concerningly high in Liverpool but not so much here in Nottingham even though we have more cases per 100,000.

hellsbells99 · 12/10/2020 09:45

Redcrayons that is a shame as Wirral has lower rates.
girlicorne thanks for the explanation.

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RedComb · 12/10/2020 09:57

It seems to be the local mayors applying pressure to the Govt to refuse Tier 3 status. I think it's a disgrace. The numbers in GM are horrific and have been for weeks. We need a Tier 3 lockdown.

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RedComb · 12/10/2020 09:58

@CloudsCanLookLikeSheep

I think Manchester is being excluded from level 3 due to Andy Burnham.

Liverpool dont have as vocal a mayor/representative.

Yes exactly. One man should not have this power.
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Lily193 · 12/10/2020 09:59

The numbers in GM are horrific and have been for weeks. We need a Tier 3 lockdown

I agree. There was a problem that was never tackled well before schools and universities went back.

MereDintofPandiculation · 12/10/2020 10:04

Yes exactly. One man should not have this power. That could be applied to more than one context. Some would argue that Andy Burnham having power is an improvement on Manchester's wellbeing being dependent on how many? people in London.

Itsabeautifuldayheyhey · 12/10/2020 10:06

If all the cases are in contained settings - e.g. care homes, universities - does it actually justify Tier 3 restrictions?
Is that a serious comment? Staff go in and out of care homes mixing with their households, parents at the school gates and shops etc. Students don't just stay in the university. They go on public transport, to shops, barbers, pubs, eateries etc.

The cases aren't contained. No man is an Island.

ChaChaCha2012 · 12/10/2020 10:07

One man should not have this power.

I'd turn that around and say every mayor should have his power.

Steve Rotheram has been highly vocal about the situation in Liverpool, but he doesn't have the national voice that Burnham has. As ever, this isn't about what's best for people, it's about political pull and media coverage.

The same in Nottingham. Why is it (as far as we know) not going into tier 3? Because there are several Conservative MPs up in arms that their areas may be affected.

ritzbiscuits · 12/10/2020 10:31

I'm in Greater Manchester and welcome everything Andy Burnham is doing to stick up for our local area. I agree with @ChaChaCha2012
all local mayors should have this voice.

Yes cases in Manchester are high, but especially in the city, this has been driven by the proactive mass testing of asymptomatic students. In the end of the day, Andy has much more granular information about what is happening in the area so I am happy to put my faith in what he believes is best for us. Andy is a well supported and liked mayor, so I would imagine most residents would prefer Andy's opinion over Boris/Cummings any day of the week.

ritzbiscuits · 12/10/2020 10:31

I'm in Greater Manchester and welcome everything Andy Burnham is doing to stick up for our local area. I agree with @ChaChaCha2012
all local mayors should have this voice.

Yes cases in Manchester are high, but especially in the city, this has been driven by the proactive mass testing of asymptomatic students. In the end of the day, Andy has much more granular information about what is happening in the area so I am happy to put my faith in what he believes is best for us. Andy is a well supported and liked mayor, so I would imagine most residents would prefer Andy's opinion over Boris/Cummings any day of the week.

HasaDigaEebowai · 12/10/2020 10:35

Nottingham is a labour stronghold and so it isn't about conservative MPs. It's because Nottingham figures are high partially due to Nottingham University doing an asymptomatic testing programme (i/e testing anything with a pulse). It isn't translating to cases of illness. If everywhere else did the same then all figures would probably be higher across the entire UK

GrumpySausage · 12/10/2020 10:38

My understanding was that tier 3 was only to be used if the restrictions in place for tier 2 had not worked. As Liverpool has already had tier 2 restrictions for some time (though not called tier 2), and cases still haven't decreased, it now warranted a tier 3 level.
Nottingham hasn't been subject to tier 2 restrictions yet but if cases don't decrease as hoped once in place, then tier 3 is introduced.