Support bubbles?

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Will they still be allowed in tier 2 and 3?
Otherwise I’m afraid the chances of my sticking to this is zero.

On another thread, @nannynick posted this about childcare:

*"Looking at Tier 3, it has in the exemptions:
Source: www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1105/pdfs/uksi_20201105_en.pdf

"Exception 3: informal childcare
(4) Exception 3 is that the gathering is reasonably for the purposes of informal childcare provided by a member of a household to a member of their linked childcare household (see paragraph 8)."

Paragraph 8:
"Linked childcare household
8.—(1) For the purposes of this Part of this Schedule, a “linked childcare household” means a household that is linked with another household for the purposes of informal childcare in accordance with this paragraph.
(2) Where a household includes at least one child aged 13 or under (“the first household”), that household may link with one other household (“the second household”) for the purpose of the
second household providing informal childcare to the child aged 13 or under in the first household
if—
(a) neither the first household nor the second household are linked with any other household for that purpose in accordance with this paragraph or a provision of any other regulations made under Part 2A of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984, and
(b) all the adult members of both households agree.
(3) The first household and the second household are “linked childcare households” in relation to each other.
(4) The first household and the second household cease to be linked childcare households when neither household includes a child aged 13 or under.
(5) Once the first household and the second household cease to be linked childcare households, neither household may be a linked childcare household with any other household. "

So to me it looks like there will be an exemption that can be used in most cases.
I do wonder though about the situation of having paid childcare come where that childcare provider is not a registered childcare provider."*

But what about childcare bubbles if both parents work?

Bookmarking for reference, thanks for this thread.

Every single person can find a reason not to interact with others... which is absolutely fine and I completely understand... but

If you do- this will just carry on.. until a vaccine. and even then , like flu (and the ONLY way like flu) a percentage will still die before their normal life expectancy.

I really feel that this epidemic is not only a divide between North and South (actually heard someone say today ' well the northerners have got it worse because they're a bit thick and don't understand a virus spreads between humans !) but a divide between those financially secure and those with no security.. but also those that have lost loved ones and those for whom this thing is 'something that happens to other people' ..

I'm in the last category. Lost a 42 yr old neighbour WFH two kids 8&3.. plus a work colleague, a bit over weight (say 16/18) aged 51. Also 2 kids one at Uni one doing A levels.
All in the very very unaffected south east. Rural.

It does change your perspective.

My adult dd is in our bubble and lives 250 miles away. She will be coming to stay next week.

Confirmed on the gov.uk website that support bubbles will be allowed in tiers 2 and 3.

The wording for tier 3 is you must not socialise with anybody you do not live with, or have formed a support bubble with, in any indoor setting or in any private garden or at most outdoor hospitality venues and ticketed events.

That's very badly phrased, isn't it? It could be read as meaning that you cannot socialise with anyone you do not live with, and also cannot socialise with anyone you have formed a support bubble with. Should it not say, 'do not socialise with anybody you do not live with or have not formed a support bubble with'?

My partner is in level three. I'm in level 2. It's my birthday on Saturday and can't bare the thought of spending on my own. The plans I had will probably have to be cancelled. Gutted.

There will be many more people leaving the NHS and community social care if childcare support bubbles are banned; many with pre school children/ babies are reliant on this to be able to afford to work. Pre covid and currently many can not afford childcare and the difference between informal childcare/ support from families is the difference in being able to afford to work in these sectors and not being able to work in these sectors. In those families where there is a second parent, the second parent may not be in a keyworker role but may be the higher earner and in this case some families are having to make the decision that the nhs worker/ social care worker gives up their job so that their family can afford to pay the bills etc. It’s a bleak time for everyone, but childcare support bubbles are crucial to enable Nhs workers and those working in secondary community care to continue working. Support supplies are crucial for mental health for many. At a time when cancer referrals are all time low, many cancer services have stopped, isolation is high in itself is all a ticking time bomb.

@dreamingofstars

Has there been any indication that childcare support bubbles could be banned?