Is anyone still fearful?

[justgeton]

Not that long ago people were panic buying, watching the news as many many people died, clapping the nhs.

We're clearly heading in the same direction.. but so many people are now ignoring it.

Why?

Yes lockdown is horrible. But the alternative isn't?

I can see all pov. I'm not trying to start another debate on whether we should lockdown or not; more why the massive swing? Is it that people don't think it's scary anymore?

I was really worried back in Feb when I saw it all coming this was. March/April was surreal. I was 3 months pregnant so I was quite frankly, terrified.

We didn’t leave the house until August - I only went to hospital appointments. I was dead against my dd returning to school for a long time.

Now, not so much. Dd returned to school in September.

Seeing the actual figures of death (yes, one death is too many, but there are no bodies piled high on the streets as the doom mongerers of March would’ve had you believe). Yes, there are some who have long term effects.

Yes, there are a high number of positive tests now but the tests aren’t all that accurate and could you imagine if we had been testing as many people six months ago?

I also think that this is larger than a virus. There have been so very dodgy goings on.

So no, I’m not afraid at all now. I don’t think lockdowns now will help anything.

I'm still very cautious but I'm not as afraid as I was back then, mainly because we know more about the disease now and we have some treatments.

Since they stopped post-mortems who’s to say what people actually died of. I notice now when they report deaths it’s the number who died who had a positive test within the last 28 days, not that they died OF Covid.
Meanwhile people with far more serious diseases are losing out.

I think a lot of people are now becoming more angry than scared.

Fearful of this government, yes.

Well of course we aren't scared. The risk was very much overstated in March to get us all to comply, and stories about healthy young people dying prominent in the press (again to get us to comply). Then we were told the truth (and the data became available) that if you're under 50 and healthy, there is no greater risk of dying of covid than of anything else. Then sliding scale up to if you're over 85, of course it's a pretty high risk. We were told this to get us out spending money during the summer. So any attempt to tell us we are now all at risk again is quite rightly going to be treated with total contempt. Most people will put their own mental health and wellbeing ahead of as yet unknown quantities of people we don't even know dying, won't they?

I follow the rules because I understand its all a balancing act, and I have children that I need to keep in education. But I really don't blame a lot of people for not giving a shit to be quite honest, it's a totally logical point of view.

Not fearful, but still cautious. Washing our hands and I use alcohol gel after touching things like traffic light buttons.

I don't trust the government to do the right thing, so common sense with maintaining social distancing and cleaning is sensible.

I could not give a shit if I get it. Don’t get me wrong, I’m abiding by restrictions and all that jazz (even if they’re ridiculous), but there is no fear.

I’m more and more aghast at the extraordinary cost of the restrictions in place. Economically, socially, emotionally. So many people getting thrown under the bus for Covid. Where will it end?

We know more about the virus now.

Of the virus? No. Of the impact on other areas of health, more restrictions to be brought in next week, the impact on local businesses and employers - yes I’m terrified at what lies ahead for the next 6-12 months.

Was petrified in March. Couldn't give a fuck now. I don't believe this is just about a virus, there's something much bigger going on and I think the whole thing is a load of bullshit. Shield the vulnerable... the rest of us crack on.

Yes I’m petrified. Petrified for the future of our country. The economic impacts are only just starting to become apparent.

Most people I know aren't ignoring the rules, but there is a general feeling that lockdown is worse overall than letting the virus spread in a controlled manner.

Personally I have no fear of the virus itself, nor does anyone I know (young and old). There's an almost zero chance of dying for me, and a tiny chance of medium-term complications.

Attached are percentage IFR (chance of dying). For the majority they are negligible.

Could not care one bit if I get it or don't.

I take sensible precautions, hand wash, social distance when I can, but I don't care one way or the other whether I get it. I'd rather not, obviously, but if I get it c'est la vie. I'll do the right thing and hopefully it'll be a mild case.

No not fearful, but it’s also fair to say I have had Covid.

I’m nudging 50 with an underlying health condition, had ‘Long Covid’ symptoms for 4 months, but that’s pretty much resolved now as well.

If I can get through it, the vast majority will & of course that is borne out in the numbers.

I’m more concerned about the economic legacy we will be leaving our children tbh

I should say also in interests of transparency that I’ve had Covid (the long version). I was pretty ill for 16 weeks. Fully recovered now.

I have vulnerable health and I am fearful of most viruses at this time of year. I have not broken any rules.

I am fearful about things I haven't done yet eg go into London to see friends, go on public transport, get close to lots of kids, go into crowded indoor places ... but if I am not close to be people and not sticking my fingers on my face before washing my hands then I can be logical about the risk to catching or spreading illness - it is low. (Well, close to zero as I am not going anywhere at the moment.)

I thought we should have locked down much sooner. I was fearful of being ill and being 'left to it' (single parent, no one to help). I was fearful of long term chronic health conditions as I already have some and don't want to add to them (again, no one to help). I was fearful about the spread of the virus in Feb and March because people were coughing everywhere and saying how poorly they felt but that 'don't worry, it isn't you know what'.

I feared not being able to get food. Or soap, or hand sanitiser. I feared for family members. I feared for the NHS workers and the bus drivers and the teachers. Between March-May/June I watched every single Coronavirus update except for three.

But now, for me, there are greater fears than the effects of the virus itself for both vulnerable and non vulnerable.

I have to say I'm a little horrified at the 'lm alright Jack' attitude.

Will your view stay the same if ITU continues to fill, the nhs struggles to treat any other emergency and any planned treatment?

We can't escape the fact that 600 Itu beds were filled yesterday. Probably more today.

"Meanwhile people with far more serious diseases are losing out." And they are going to lose out in even larger numbers in future because the people who think they are at no risk (and are ignoring long covid, reduced fertility in men, higher risk of long covid in pregnant women, increased levels of type 1 diabetes being seen in covid survivors) ignore restrictions.

Every person who gets covid, every person who passes on covid deprives someone else of health care - and that could be you next week.

My own risk of contracting covid is low, because I'm not doing the risky things - my risk of not having health care available if I need it when the virus has run through the rest of you is massive.

I’m more fearful of ongoing lockdowns on all the ensuing damage that will do.

@justgeton

I have to say I'm a little horrified at the 'lm alright Jack' attitude.

Will your view stay the same if ITU continues to fill, the nhs struggles to treat any other emergency and any planned treatment?

We can't escape the fact that 600 Itu beds were filled yesterday. Probably more today.

It’s not an ‘alright jack’ attitude. It’s a recognition that Covid isn’t the only threat. I have had Covid, it wasn’t at all pleasant but I have recovered. I am following all the rules... I am in a position to do so (despite losing my job) because I have my family at home with me, enough space for us to stay at home without too much difficulty, enough money to pay our bills and enough to eat. If I didn’t have those things, or if I was struggling in other ways, I don’t know how I would feel about the restrictions.

There’s a difference between “I’m alright jack” and having a proportionate

The question was are you still fearful. I’m not scared. I’m following the rules, I understand some restrictions are needed, but the virus is not something I need to fear.

@justgeton

I have to say I'm a little horrified at the 'lm alright Jack' attitude.

Will your view stay the same if ITU continues to fill, the nhs struggles to treat any other emergency and any planned treatment?

We can't escape the fact that 600 Itu beds were filled yesterday. Probably more today.

Lots of us aren't "alright".

We're losing jobs, homes and our mental health.

The threat of the virus is trivial compared to these.

@JeanClaudeVanDammit

There’s a difference between “I’m alright jack” and having a proportionate

The question was are you still fearful. I’m not scared. I’m following the rules, I understand some restrictions are needed, but the virus is not something I need to fear.

And this. Most people are following the rules in place, but are not scared personally as they know their risk is low. Government documents show that at the beginning, there was a deliberate plan to make people feel personally scared as that was the best way to ensure compliance. No longer being personally scared doesn’t mean that they are not taking it seriously or following restrictions, it just means that they are aware that the individual risk to them if they contract it is low.

Yes. I think this winter is going to be all kinds of hell if we don't all pull our fingers out and follow the rules. We do know a lot more about the virus, but ignoring it won't make it go away.