How many do you think died WITH Coronavirus rather than FROM it?

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As all people who have a positive test within 28 days of death are included in the figures, is there any way of knowing who actually died because of Coronavirus rather than those who actually died of something else?

Interested in this as well!

Do you mean it the other way round?

Unless people had recovered in the meantime they all died with it.

My Mum died of Covid, primary cause of death on the doc's certificate

But you also have people who died because of covid but more than 28 days after testing positive - are they still counted?

Oh this again! More have died from covid than are recognised in the daily stats, because that's only the ones in 28 days and many take longer to die.

The ONS figures which actually reference the words on the death cert have the figures at about 57,000?

Covid is real, it isn't hype, it isn't a hoax.

I’m not entirely sure what your point is.

People with terminal cancer often die from pneumonia, after catching a chest infection, from a cold, because their immunity was too low to fight the cold.

Of course there will be lots of similar cases with Covid. Covid will still be the ultimate cause of death as pneumonia is in the example above. But you could also say cancer caused the death.

If you are talking about perfectly healthy people who have caught Covid & died with no other contributory factor, then yes, there are statistics for that. When you hear that X amount of people with “no underlying health issues” have died from Covid, that is what is meant.

Not that many. That's why the excess mortality rate is so high.

It's thought to be that more than 90% die of covid, in less than 10% is it an incidental finding or not the primary cause of death,

However, the 28 days figure is an underestimate by more than that, as many people take longer than 4 weeks to die of covid.

Or how many would still be alive if they didn't catch Covid-19 at any point.

Who can say.
Not sure it would change much for anyone right now.

Not this again.

If you are diagnosed with cancer, then die 4 weeks later, they dont do an autopsy on you. Your death certificate reads cancer.

Despite the fact is may have been a heart attack, or a stroke or any number of complications from your cancer.

My dad was 98 when he died. He was in a care home. He tested positive in May and tried to fight it off for 2 weeks. He Went into hospital for oxygen therapy and tested negative after two weeks , but covid is on his death certificate as it caused organ failure and he was too old for a ventilator. He also had dementia.
Make of that what you will and even though people tell me that he didn't die from covid ( as suddenly everyone is a doctor) I believe he did. I couldn't see him or be with him when he died but I'm meant to listen to people telling me it's a conspiracy and other factors were involved etc. he was very old I know , but it hurts that people tend to not believe me.
I wished I could have been with him when he passed and that guilt will never leave me.

Unless they have been in an RTA or other catastrophic incident, I don't think there's much use in trying to separate these out.

Covid causes inflammation in so many body systems that it's very likely to be implicated as a cause even if not sole cause.

I know someone who died OF covid but after 28 days so they are not included in the figures. They are not included because they spent 6 weeks in hospital including intensive care after testing positive and before dying.

That discussion again? What's your actual point OP? Discredit the data? If someone dies of Covid aged 87, would you like the death certificate to say 'died of old age'?

Here we go, this helps give context.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54463511