Maybe we could have different days for different age groups.

[waltzingparrot]

Rather than lockdown the over 50s/ over 60s / over whatever they decide, would it work if say pubs/cafes only allowed over 50s/60s/whatever on Sundays/Mondays - the older age groups tend to follow the rules and they could make it super safe. They would be able to meet friends/siblings so not completely isolated, although obviously, the compromise is not mixing the generations.

That leaves 5 days a week for the youngsters to socialise.

Seems fair.

the older age groups tend to follow the rules

The older age groups are just as likely to ignore the rules as any other. You get good and bad in all ages.

My group of friends are in their 20s and 30s and are pretty much sticking to the rules. We minaly work for the nhs and in schools and therefore being sensible despite being put at increased risks at work.
My parents in their 50s are still having large group dinner parties. My grandparents in their 80s think the rules are ‘ridiculous’ and a massive overreaction and are therefore going about life as normal.

Obviously this is purely anecdotal but shows you can’t base anything on just assumptions. It’s not fair to blame the younger generations when there are rule breakers in every group.

I know people of all ages who are sticking to the rules.
I know people of all ages who are not sticking to the rules.
It would be completely unenforceable.

the older age groups tend to follow the rules

Honestly I know this doesn’t fit the popular narrative but this hasn’t been my experience. Perhaps it’s because all the rule-abiding older people are just staying at home so I only see the others.

No thanks, there's 20 years between DH and I'd like to be able to go out with him!

There's people in every age group not following guidelines, I m 25 and pregnant and haven't been anywhere that isn't the hospital or the local woods since lockdown.

Theres people in other age groups on our community Facebook group quite happily asking if there's pubs or restaurant's where they can have a birthday party despite us being in a local lockdown area.

So when the over 50s oare out on a Sunday and Mondayl, where is everyone else? Just banned from public places or are they not allowed to go out?

What about kids catching the buses to school or parents taking their kids to school on the bus?

What about the staff working in these places? Do we staff them with older people for safety or younger people so they can enjoy it?

And I'm not even getting into the "old people are so well behaved, they do it all right but those pesky under 50s are going around spreading the disease and killing off the old folk" arguement

What if I self-ID as an eighty year old, would I be allowed out then? Or if I happen to look 18 (I don't lol) would I get in trouble if I went out on my technically correct day, but go muttered at, despite my innocence.

Both my parents mid 60s would not stay inside during lockdown. I told them ide get their shopping etc but tbh I think they went to more supermarkets than I did, cant see them sticking to that when they're attitude is "covid will see were not 70 and wont affect us"

the older age groups tend to follow the rules
You lost me here tbh! My parents are in their mid/late 60s and I have several of their similar aged friends On my fb. They are not the rule followers everyone harps on about!

Apparently: * essential journeys only includes driving to friends houses and sitting in their gardens for drinks.
*there is no harm in going for walks when you are meant to be isolating.
*if you have been on an abroad holiday and are meant to be staying at home for 14 days, you are Still allowed to the supermarket whenever you like.
*staying at your sons house during the lockdown Is included in the rules
*the rule of six doesn’t apply for seeing grandchildren because they are Scottish (but they live in England).
*having a Bad cough when you also have a bit of a cold Means you don’t need a test.
I have seen all those examples on fb. Some during the spring and others more recently. Each time I see them I get more infuriated by it, especially when I see them berating the young for spreading the virus about.

On the other hand MIL has been so careful and hardly been out of the house apart from meeting one other friend, who is also not seeing anyone else. They have even kept family at arms length as we all work and have dc at school, so quite risky to meet up with. I guess she wouldn’t want to go to the pub anyway as she would see the risk as quite high anyway.

Won't work. A certain type of person couldn't even manage to leave elderly hour at the supermarket for the selected groups. They were just asked to refrain from food shopping for 1 hour in the week, but nope, couldn't manage it.

Agree with others. My parents are in their 70’s, my mum is a young 72, Goes to various classes and out with her friends a lot. Whilst she’s careful when out there’s no way she’d stay home again.

Far too complicated

We're having enough difficulty in following rules for the whole population without adding thus.

And it wouldn't work - unless you somehow find a way to staff all businesses with people from that days permitted age group. And sacked over 50s from jobs that required them to be out and about on other days.

the older age groups tend to follow the rules I disagree

My Gran (85) is the worst for following the rules, says lifes not worth living if she has to hide away for the rest of it. My parents (almost 60) are almost as bad, whereas myself and siblings are following the rules pretty strictly. However my cousins who are 17-20 are also doing as they please, and hanging round in large groups, a few of which have had covid and been completely fine so they dont see the big deal.

Another one here saying that IME it's been older age groups that don't bother with the rules (my mum openly says she has to die of something, it may as well be Covid).

But the rule wouldn't work anyway - surely people might (for example) like to go to a cafe with their elderly parents?

I am 56, extremely fit and I REALLY resent being classed with the vulnerable just because of my age!

@MRex

Won't work. A certain type of person couldn't even manage to leave elderly hour at the supermarket for the selected groups. They were just asked to refrain from food shopping for 1 hour in the week, but nope, couldn't manage it.

But if we did total lockdown for other ages, they could just stay anyone on the street that couldn't prove they were over 50 or en route / coming back from essential service work. School would have to do a 4 day week to keep the buses free. Then there's all the vulnerable non elderly, they can have Sunday.

@BillywilliamV

I am 56, extremely fit and I REALLY resent being classed with the vulnerable just because of my age!

Doesn't matter, you're being protected for the good of society. Perhaps a knitting magazine subscription would help occupy you now you're no longer able to work except the two. 50+DAYS

Oh dear, that went well

Better just carry on as we are then with the consequent results.

@waltzingparrot

Oh dear, that went well

Better just carry on as we are then with the consequent results.

Well Boris you need to come up with better idea

@waltzingparrot

Rather than lockdown the over 50s/ over 60s / over whatever they decide, would it work if say pubs/cafes only allowed over 50s/60s/whatever on Sundays/Mondays - the older age groups tend to follow the rules and they could make it super safe. They would be able to meet friends/siblings so not completely isolated, although obviously, the compromise is not mixing the generations.

That leaves 5 days a week for the youngsters to socialise.

Seems fair.

Why does 5 days a week for the ‘youngsters’ to socialise seem fair?

Cos there's more of us mwahahahahaaaaa

Why does 5 days a week for the ‘youngsters’ to socialise seem fair?

Well excuse the sweeping generalisations, but pre -retired/youngsters possibly inclined to go out more, spending more in hospitality, putting more into economy.

I was only ever talking about hospitality, retired having a safer night out. Not mixing generations in hospitality settings to try and help get case numbers down. I didn't mean them to be locked away on all other days, they could still go for walks, local shop etc.

A third if the workforce is over 50.

So you plan has 2/3 on 5 days and 1/3 on 1 day. Yup, glaringly fair and workable.

It's not about working. It's about socialising and doing something that helps reduce generational contact in these settings, particularly where alcohol is involved and makes environments less safe. I think we've all understood by now that the majority of deaths will not come from the under 50/60s.

For those of you who aren't prepared to not socialise with older generations while cases are rising, what solutions to you all have to prevent thousands of deaths or are you accepting that consequence?

Tbh it looking like events will overtake us all and a circuit breaker lockdown will be used .