692 students are not ill with Covid 19 at Northumbria University.

[Treesofwood]

78 have symptoms. We must lock them all in their rooms.

We vaccinate for flu and still tens of thousands of people die of it. We are doing this to save lives. So we must continue to do it.

I'm so bored of these thick as fuck OPs.

I don't know what the fuck damn fool point you think you are trying to make op but if you really think it's preferable to live in a country that allows this thing to rip through the population than to have students stay in their centrally heated fully equipped all amenities provided residences, you could always move to a different country. Like Russia, for example, where doctors are actually throwing themselves out of windows in despair at the task they face thanks to their government's failure to address the crisis. That is , actual medical professionals, who studied for years to secure employment and worked at top level within it, jumping out of windows.

Or maybe you could try Brazil? According to this account of a highly respected medical professional, the place is an elysian paradise thanks to the government's decision to value freedom above all else:

As a Brazilian who values life, I do not know what scares me more: contracting COVID-19, or Bolsonaro's Government trying to belittle the disease, forcing us out of the door to confront it, even when they know that we have not done enough as a country to make it safe for us to do so. Although COVID-19 is showing us all that we still have a long way to go to overcome this crisis, which, at the time of writing, has killed approximately 1000 people a day over the past 3 months, the more disheartening thought is that this government does not seem to care one way or another whether people are dying or not.

Lots of people don't feel ill with chickenpox, yet we isolate people with chickenpox.

Lots of people don't feel ill with sexually transmitted infections, yet we ask people to take precautions to avoid passing them on.

What exactly is your point OP?

Have more wind OP

Dumplingsandstew We don't test people with no symptoms for chicken pox then tell them to isolate. Nor do we isolate all those exposed to it incase they catch it.

Your post is about the 770 people who tested positive.

If someone knew they had chicken pox, should they take steps to avoid passing it on to others?

If someone has HIV, should they take steps to avoid passing it on to others?

Herpes?

Nits?

770 students are in isolation after testing positive for Covid19. That's what your thread was about.

@Treesofwood - I literally can’t make much sense of your posts. And can’t quite decide on whether you can’t see the wood for the trees, or not sure if a bear shits in the woods. Or if a tree falls but no one there to hear it ... etc.

Either way, if you haven’t yet grasped a couple of facts then don’t think you ever will. This isn’t the bloody flu. Many are asymptomatic. Exponential growth.

It’s crap, but if there’s a risk you’ve been exposed then it’s isolation.

No my point was that 90% of them are asymptomatic. They only know they have it because they got tested.

Obviously people who are ill or infectious should take steps to ensure they don't pass it on. I am not sure that their entire school or university communities should isolate "just in case"

Great point op. Every one of these students is going to be absolutely fine. We know by now the virus is not fatal to young people and yet still, it's their lives that are being ruined due to the off chance that they maybe possibly perhaps infect an elderly person.

If people are still fine with this by now, they will never wake up.

You were talking about asymptomatic carriers. And how is wasn't fair for them to have to stay in.

Are you getting confused with one of your other threads?

@Treesofwood

We vaccinate for flu and still tens of thousands of people die of it. We are doing this to save lives. So we must continue to do it.

It's not even mandatory for NHS workers to get the flu jab you know! It's not taken seriously at all...but you think people should be locked in their rooms over this??

It boggles the mind how people have the energy to post these numerous threads of a similar nature, hop all over each other's threads clapping each other on the back for their 'insightful thinking' and lamenting the poor general public, and all the world leaders and virologists and epidemiologists and economists who lack their brain power - and yet who, in however many fucking months this has been going on, haven't managed to educate themselves on the basics of this pandemic or grasp why restrictions of movement are important.

@Treesofwood

Dr Madeleine I do understand. That is why in the future we will randomly test people for flu and isolate the 75% of asymptomatic flu carriers to protect others.

Flu is not transmitted by asymptomatic carriers according to virologist interview I recently heard. She said that was actually one of the first things that made them realise asymptomatic spread was likely occurring with covid...that it spread much more easily than flu.

Also, though this is a less established point...there is evidence from a U.S. study that a very high proportion of asymptomatic cases sustain lung damage. In a prison pop the asymptomatic rate was very high (did not bookmark sadly but over 70/80%) but a similar percentage of those asymptomatic cases sustained lung damage, I don't know what that might mean in their future.

@JKRowlingIsMyQueen

Great point op. Every one of these students is going to be absolutely fine. We know by now the virus is not fatal to young people and yet still, it's their lives that are being ruined due to the off chance that they maybe possibly perhaps infect an elderly person.

If people are still fine with this by now, they will never wake up.

How are their lives being ruined?

People with asymptomatic Covid have later been found to have inflammatory damage to heart and lungs. So it's a little soon to risk it tearing through our young people because it's 'mostly harmless'.

Also, when it spreads unfettered you end up with hospitals struggling to cope, medics exhausted and vulnerable. It makes no odds if 90% are asymptomatic when 10% is more than the hospitals can manage.

We have to stop it spreading. The way you do that is to restrict unnecessary movement, and restrict all movement of those who are infected. That is what we are doing.

@Treesofwood

We vaccinate for flu and still tens of thousands of people die of it. We are doing this to save lives. So we must continue to do it.

We vaccinate for flu and have well established treatments for it. But do you know the impact it has on the NHS every year.

Flu planning and preparing for the winter consumes the NHS. And yet every year the NHS just about manages to cope. But that means routine care is cancelled. In December Hospitals will be clearing out beds, in a less dramatic fashion than they did in March, but that is what they do. Because they know ICU will fill up. That means they can’t do routine operations. Resources are pushed into Acute care and unplanned admissions. In the first weeks of January the NHS will be saturated.

This ongoing assumption that we breeze through flu and can do the same for flu and Covid is just stupid. GPs and pharmacies are storming through vaccination programmes this year because they are desperately worried. They are about 2 weeks ahead which is why there pressure on vaccines.

You don’t understand what the very probable outcome of lifting isolation and spreading the disease. Others do and they have to offer complex and difficult solutions with consequences. They describe these and they take responsibility for them.

All you do is criticise and negate, without any solution and acceptance of the consequence. I think you must be a very difficult person to live with, so determined to put down things to validate yourself.

Headofwood makes me worry about common sense in the community let alone Covid.

@ user1481840227

The UK does not mandate anyone to vaccinate. The reason why?

Evidence ( not going to reference google if you want) shows mandating vaccines does not improve uptake. The purpose of a vaccination programmes is to get uptake.

Your point is not relevant.

‘Flu planning and preparing for the winter consumes the NHS and yet every year the NHS just about manages to cope. But that means routine care is cancelled.’

Why do we not wear face masks every winter for Flu season then. Is it because 10,000 deaths per year & that particular additional strain on the NHS is ‘acceptable’ to us is it?

Seems like there is more than a whiff of hypocrisy going on here to me.

Those students, as I understand it, have all tested positive for covid. 70 symptomatic and the rest positive but not symptomatic. Of COURSE they must quarantine, or they'll be breaking the law and should sent down from uni.

That isn't the same AT ALL as the students who are not positive, but locked up, denying them their civil rights.

This is not hard to understand.

@MummyPop00

‘Flu planning and preparing for the winter consumes the NHS and yet every year the NHS just about manages to cope. But that means routine care is cancelled.’

Why do we not wear face masks every winter for Flu season then. Is it because 10,000 deaths per year & that particular additional strain on the NHS is ‘acceptable’ to us is it?

Seems like there is more than a whiff of hypocrisy going on here to me.

Because we have a vaccine and treatment for the flu. We don’t for Covid.

There’s a difference between a response to the flu, which costs millions and tales away resources and capacity from other parts of the NHS, and the response to Flu and Covid.

Flu and Covid present more risk and death than Flu. We need to more to respond to Flu and Covid. That’s why there are more measures.

Flu death = 10k, NHS ICU stretched and
Covid deaths (with late lockdown) = 60k, NHS whole capacity stretched. Social care failing.

Is it so hard to see Flu + Covid = worse situation. Therefore more measures needed.

virologydownunder.com/influenza-virus-transmission-with-or-without-symptoms-youre-dropping-flu-virus/

Asymptomatic spreading of flu is a thing.

I am very aware of the impact flu had on the NHS. If we are doing this for Covid, to save lives, then we should do it every year for flu.

Especially the people who say that it's worth wearing masks/not mixing/going bankrupt if it saves even one life. We are talking 10 thousand lives, up to 30000 in a bad year like 2017/2018

Our morality seems to be based purely on staying under NHS capacity then, as opposed to taking every possible measure we could do outside of the NHS in our everyday lives to ‘save every life’.

We clearly could decide to wear face masks & socially distance every winter, but we don’t. I find that a little strange & smacking of double standards.

@Treesofwood

virologydownunder.com/influenza-virus-transmission-with-or-without-symptoms-youre-dropping-flu-virus/

Asymptomatic spreading of flu is a thing.

I am very aware of the impact flu had on the NHS. If we are doing this for Covid, to save lives, then we should do it every year for flu.

Especially the people who say that it's worth wearing masks/not mixing/going bankrupt if it saves even one life. We are talking 10 thousand lives, up to 30000 in a bad year like 2017/2018

That’s a debate for another time and it’s not the one your continue to make. The people of the UK has stubbornly stuck to wanting the NHS to be a treatment service at the expense of prevention and health management. That drives and limits our response to Covid. But it is not the debate to be had now.

And once again you are just negating. Even when In doing so you negate your own opinion. That’s not a strategy that will get you through the trees or allow you to see the wood. Because your rationale is going round in circles to the point you are now arguing yourself down.