Anyone else not sure what to believe anymore?

[malificent7]

I am nota covid denier anti masker or conspiracy theorist but anyone else notsure what the hell is going on anymore?!

It's just the inconsistency of some of the rules such as 10pm closing.
It dosn't help seeing both sides of the lockdown argument... we need to save loves toease pressure on NHS but the financial, educational and mh consequences are dire.

I know exactly what I believe. The government are either incompetent or evil (or both) and can’t get the message straight or establish any sensible rules. Doesn’t reflect on Covid at all.

I am with you. I am a bit lost.
Mumsnet it has contributed more to this than the random rules to be honest.
Some people do say that are not following the rules, end. It does not match what I see in RL.
I suppose they are fed up (as we are) and just saying these things to let some steam off ?!

10pm pub closing i meant.

I cannot blame the goverment to be honest. They are trying to reduce the spread without getting into a second full lockdown. I think there is no money left for another lockdown, and we cannot longer hold back on healthcare services ( no Covid related), education, manufacturing and business.

You can't blame the government? Are you serious?! They've dithered, delayed and confused everyone. Even Boris and his ministers don't know what the rules are now.

@MushMonster

I cannot blame the goverment to be honest. They are trying to reduce the spread without getting into a second full lockdown. I think there is no money left for another lockdown, and we cannot longer hold back on healthcare services ( no Covid related), education, manufacturing and business.

You can’t blame the government? For needing t9 do something they wouldn’t have needed if the6 hadn’t been so shit and had set up decent test, track, isolate systems? I despair. Who the fuck else do you blame but those in charge?

Some rules just make no sense though....I was reading earlier if you are in local lockdown you can’t go into others houses, but you can go on holiday to another area of the country that isn’t in lockdown?? Surely the whole point of local lockdowns is to contain outbreaks. I follow the rules, but just find some of them so bizarre.

The particular rules of 10 pm closing... are they hoping that less people will be pissed by 10 than later on? So they stick to the SD better?
I think limiting alcoholic drinks per customer and ensuring the pubs control how many people is in will work better.

No, really, I cannot blame it all on the goverment. I am serious.
Yes, there are lots of things that they need to get done, and they are not getting it 100% right. But most countries in the world arr struggling. No only UK goverment.

In general all the rules seem odd because they allow some things and not others

What all the rules are trying to do is minimise total human contact time, especially in high risk ( crowded, indoor) areas. So yes, you can see these people and not those people, you can see people here but not there , because each limitation will on average drive down total contacts . It would be logical to remove all human contact, but inhumane, so a balance needs to be struck

Why 10 and not 7 or midnight? Well closing too early affects income more, but later closing and people are more likely to have drunk too much & relaxed too much.

If on the whole transmission was not happening in pubs and on the whole social distance was maintained in pubs, there would be no rule, but because voluntary behaviour, which allows more personal freedom and choice, wasn't working, they had to bring in a rule.

We are in local lockdown here. We cannot leave the county at least it is for an important reason, like work. I am positive we cannot leave to go on holiday....
But this may only be guidance... so some people just ignores it!

I wouldn't vote Tory if they were the only party on the ballot paper. However, they aren't "evil", they just have different priorities. Furthermore, in the case of this government, they're largely incompetent.

@midgebabe I entirely agree with you.

I dont know what to believe either! What really happened in February and March? Do the govt know a lot more than they're letting on? Are they confident a vaccine is around the corner? If not how long do we keep up with the restrictions?

@MushMonster I think maybe regulations are different in different lockdown areas? I read this:

www.gov.uk/guidance/north-west-england-local-restrictions

It says you can go on holiday but must stay with your household, but obviously people would need to get food/drink.....once you’re away no one will know if you’re from the area or not. I don’t get this one, and it means people can’t even choose to do the right thing and stay home as probably wouldn’t get a refund.

Do the govt know a lot more than they're letting on?

I wonder this at times, perhaps in terms of something like the long term effects of the virus are more serious and more common that we realise?

How long to keep up restrictions ?

Well I will give you hypothetical choices

Keep restrictions in place until they are no longer needed

Or

Get rid of restrictions because we are all fed up. The NHS collapses. Look at the pictures from March ,remember what was happening, and what we worked hard to avert

The problem doesn't go away because you're bored of it

@Groundhogdayzz I am in Wales, so yes it is different

Why are Italy managing so much better right now? Just reading about their current efforts. Testing everyone using 30 minute tests. Our government have been promising this kind of thing for months, would be hugely useful. But apparently we haven't bought tests yet? Constantly promising great things and it's all yet to be seen. Claiming our test and trace will be world class and yet it's been beset with problems, delayed and the head of the scheme is a Tory minister and pal of the PM.

Not enough people trust handing over their data to make it effective in the first place.

And then, Margeret Ferrier SNP MP travelling by train to London while showing symptoms, waiting for a test and then returning after a positive result. There's absolutely no excuse! What message does that send? It's scandalous and, frankly, dangerous.

@bibbitybobbitycats

Do the govt know a lot more than they're letting on?

I wonder this at times, perhaps in terms of something like the long term effects of the virus are more serious and more common that we realise?

If that was the case, why would they cover it up?

They want us to comply with the restrictions so they have no reason to downplay the effect of the virus.

@Buckwheat80

I wouldn't vote Tory if they were the only party on the ballot paper. However, they aren't "evil", they just have different priorities. Furthermore, in the case of this government, they're largely incompetent.

Their "different priorities" are Brexit. Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove see Covid as a minor inconvenience to their reckless pursuit of appalling ideology.

I don't even know that they do want us to follow restrictions.

@Groundhogdayzz leaving you area during lockdown for a holiday kind of defeats the purpose, as you say difficult to understand and get our heads around.
I think in this one they are putting money above public health, and they should not. They should correct that.

A clear, direct and consistent message from someone in charge?! is really needed! Are we trying to protect the NHS, control the virus by trying to achieve very low numbers?
The testing being done in Italy is something we really need to emulate.

Buckwheat80 because they want to avoid too much panic? At the moment because so many people think it's "only" the elderly and vulnerable that are at risk, there is not so much worry as there might be and lots of people are living fairly normally? I don't know, I am just speculating...one day we will know if we have been given the whole truth or not.